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In 2008 the world did nothing to stop Russia from invading Georgia. In 2014 the world did next to nothing to stop Russia’s expansion into Ukraine. Even in 2022

In 2008 the world did nothing to stop Russia from invading Georgia. In 2014 the world did next to nothing to stop Russia’s expansion into Ukraine. Even in 2022 the West waited for a while before supplying Ukraine with heavy equipment. Russia is not pulling mothballed T-34s, they don’t have them aside from museum exhibits. Given enough time they can fix their command and manufacturing problems. Contrary to the popular belief Russia learns and is getting better at war as we speak. In 2022 the whole front collapsed, now they can keep holding against Ukrainians armed with western tanks and cruise missiles. Russia will have a generation raised during this war and war propaganda. Right now Russians sabotage the war by inaction and evasion because not that many people actually want to actively participate. That will change over time if the new generation is indoctrinated. This can’t be allowed to happen. If it was Germany on Russian border and without NATO article 5 instead of Ukraine, Berlin would have been taken in 3 days, no amount of modern manufacturing will save you from not having a standing army with proper equipment.

remarkEon 3y ago
No one can seem to keep their story straight in this thread. Russia is at the same time a weakend-to-the-point-of-collapse war economy, but also able to conjure up new manufacturing infrastructure from nowhere that would make them able to blitzkrieg their way to Berlin in 3 days. If the US can't replenish their 155mm stockpiles until ~2025, I would love to know what the Russians have figured out about weapons manufacturing that we ostensibly can't. I'm still not seeing why this particular conflict is so critical to the US strategic position that we'd walk ourselves up to direct NATO involvement and WWIII. I suppose if we sleepwalk into WWIII the 155mm problem will solve itself. >If it was Germany on Russian border and without NATO article 5 instead of Ukraine, Berlin would have been taken in 3 days, no amount of modern manufacturing will save you from not having a standing army with proper equipment. Sure, if you posit a bunch of things as true that are not true, you can make any analogy you want.
- failuser 3y ago
  Russia has encountered significant problems especially compared to the expectations of the US analysts that said it will take over Kyiv in 3 days. But I’m still sure they would have no trouble with taking over modern demilitarized Germany if not for NATO. But it’s far from being defeated. It’s not on the brink. It did not even mobilize the economy. The average guy in Moscow lived as well as before the war or better. About the manufacturing: this is not new technology, you just need to commit to it. US was never ready for an artillery war, US is air and sea power. The US does not have a lot of things Russians have just because they have a different doctrine. The doctrine Ukraine can’t use because it does not have modern planes and aircraft carriers. Russia had so much ammo stockpiled (many times more than all the West combined) that it was not ready for it to start running out.
lisasays 3y ago
Russia is not pulling mothballed T-34s, they don’t have them aside from museum exhibits. Right - people need to get their model numbers straight. What they're pulling up are mothballed T-54/55s, a.k.a. "mammoth poo": https://www.kyivpost.com/post/19229 https://www.kyivpost.com/post/19229

remarkEon 3y ago

No one can seem to keep their story straight in this thread. Russia is at the same time a weakend-to-the-point-of-collapse war economy, but also able to conjure up new manufacturing infrastructure from nowhere that would make them able to blitzkrieg their way to Berlin in 3 days. If the US can't replenish their 155mm stockpiles until ~2025, I would love to know what the Russians have figured out about weapons manufacturing that we ostensibly can't. I'm still not seeing why this particular conflict is so critical to the US strategic position that we'd walk ourselves up to direct NATO involvement and WWIII. I suppose if we sleepwalk into WWIII the 155mm problem will solve itself. >If it was Germany on Russian border and without NATO article 5 instead of Ukraine, Berlin would have been taken in 3 days, no amount of modern manufacturing will save you from not having a standing army with proper equipment. Sure, if you posit a bunch of things as true that are not true, you can make any analogy you want.

failuser 3y ago
Russia has encountered significant problems especially compared to the expectations of the US analysts that said it will take over Kyiv in 3 days. But I’m still sure they would have no trouble with taking over modern demilitarized Germany if not for NATO. But it’s far from being defeated. It’s not on the brink. It did not even mobilize the economy. The average guy in Moscow lived as well as before the war or better. About the manufacturing: this is not new technology, you just need to commit to it. US was never ready for an artillery war, US is air and sea power. The US does not have a lot of things Russians have just because they have a different doctrine. The doctrine Ukraine can’t use because it does not have modern planes and aircraft carriers. Russia had so much ammo stockpiled (many times more than all the West combined) that it was not ready for it to start running out.

lisasays 3y ago

Russia is not pulling mothballed T-34s, they don’t have them aside from museum exhibits. Right - people need to get their model numbers straight. What they're pulling up are mothballed T-54/55s, a.k.a. "mammoth poo": https://www.kyivpost.com/post/19229 https://www.kyivpost.com/post/19229