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Unprecedented ocean temps “surpassing model predictions,” warn experts

37 points by myshpa 3y ago

ndlan 3y ago
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lilboiluvr69 3y ago
I really, really wish I believed my government was meeting their obligation to tackling this: https://climateactiontracker.org/ https://climateactiontracker.org/ I wonder if Congress realizes the mental health burden this lack of sufficient action has on their young population. It's easy to feel powerless but if you want to be part of the solution one thing you could consider is donating 5-10% of your income to reputable charities that focus on direct action where it is needed most: https://www.givingwhatwecan.org/charities/founders-pledge-climate-change-fund https://www.givingwhatwecan.org/charities/founders-pledge-cl... Another thing you can do is encourage people not to vote for politicians who claim climate change isn't happening and learn how to counter common misconceptions and the techniques that best change people's mind: https://www.edx.org/course/making-sense-of-climate-science-denial https://www.edx.org/course/making-sense-of-climate-science-d... I really hope our species can solve this collective action problem because I'd hate to imagine how future generations will look back on us. People seem to think technology is going to somehow make things go back to how it was. That things will get better. Things are never going to get better, they are only going to get worse. How much worse depends on what we do today.
- myshpa 3y ago
  > Things are never going to get better, they are only going to get worse. How much worse depends on what we do today. https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLNcGo6a-yKuIubvDb6mIyd0KHQ-7UasJH https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLNcGo6a-yKuIubvDb6mIy...
- myshpa 3y ago
  I can't edit my other comment, but this is even better source to explain the lack of action from our governments. "What is ecologically and socially necessary for sustainability is not polically feasible, but the politically feasible is ecologically and socially ineffective, if not catastrophic." (time @ 50.20) Dr. Bill Rees, 2021-12-01, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CVe8-eKSK8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CVe8-eKSK8
CodeSgt 3y ago
As much as I hate to say this, I’ve lost almost all concern for the environment “crisis”. Not saying it isn’t real, but at 24 years old now I’ve been seeing panic-fuel since I was 10 on Disney channel about the hole in the ozone layer (that managed to fix itself), deforestation, the coral reefs, etc. I’ve been told I should be scared of the world ending because selfish greedy humans are destroying it for literally as long as I can remember, and I’m over it. I can’t bring myself to always be anxious about it. It’s either live a lifetime of worry or say fuck it and live my life. I recycle, I rideshare when I can, I take the steps that are convenient to me to help, but I just can’t be bothered getting that worked up over it anymore.
- jmholla 3y ago
  > that managed to fix itself We fixed it by significantly reducing our usage of the chemicals that were causing it allowing it to repair itself.
- ZeroGravitas 3y ago
  > the hole in the ozone layer (that managed to fix itself) Humans fixed the ozone layer, via the Montreal Protocol https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montreal_Protocol https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montreal_Protocol
  - upsidesinclude 3y ago
    >Humans fixed the ozone layer Humans stopped creating a hole in the ozone layer
- jondwillis 3y ago
  At 33 years old, I can say that what you’ve just expressed is probably not your end state mindset, nor should it be. I have definitely agreed with your sentiment in various portions of my life, but it stopped serving me. But if it serves you and your life right now, then that is good. It isn’t worthwhile to be worried about climate and never act on it. Live your life, but the problem isn’t likely going to go away or cease to affect you, in a macro sense.
- 3y ago
jfengel 3y ago
And the anti-climate lobby is already writing press releases, dated 2025 and 2026, declaring that there has been no warming since 2023. That's what they did after 1998, when we had an especially strong El Niño. Records were broken, and I saw a lot of graphs pointing out downward temperature trends. Those graphs never started in 1997 or 1999 or any other year, but always 1998. In fact, I was already starting to see similar graphs starting at the last El Niño from 2019, and noting that 2022 was merely the sixth warmest year ever. By that time 1998 had dropped out of the top 10. That cherry was no longer available for picking, but as long as the temperature doesn't monotonically go up, there will always be some other year to be "no warming since..." All they have to do is get through this year, probably with the line "weather isn't the same as climate". So I appreciate the experts' new warning, but I wish I knew what to do with that information. All reasonable tactics of persuasion have long since failed. Maybe we'll get lucky: the heat dome this year just happens to cover a lot of people with an ideological predisposition to doubt climate change, and might just change a few minds even though it really is due to weather than climate.
- htss2013 3y ago
  There's no way to peacefully convince like 20 countries whose budgets all rely on selling fossil fuels to stop selling them, and the same goes for the countless buyers whose livelihoods depend on using them. Are you going to mandate they endure mass starvation and economic collapse? So what is the point of going on about deniers and anti climate XYZ? Even if they all agreed with you, what would change? It seems like pointless scapegoating and divisiveness.
  - jfengel 3y ago
    Forty years ago we could have accomplished something. Now I just want everyone to know that climate deniers are liars and bad people. It won't save us from the disasters, but climate denialism also comes with a cluster of other horrific anti social behavior. The political party that makes climate denialism its official platform should not be voted for under any circumstances. That will not stave off disaster long term but it might let us have some cogent national discussion for once while we wait.

37 points by myshpa 3y ago

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I really, really wish I believed my government was meeting their obligation to tackling this: https://climateactiontracker.org/ https://climateactiontracker.org/ I wonder if Congress realizes the mental health burden this lack of sufficient action has on their young population. It's easy to feel powerless but if you want to be part of the solution one thing you could consider is donating 5-10% of your income to reputable charities that focus on direct action where it is needed most: https://www.givingwhatwecan.org/charities/founders-pledge-climate-change-fund https://www.givingwhatwecan.org/charities/founders-pledge-cl... Another thing you can do is encourage people not to vote for politicians who claim climate change isn't happening and learn how to counter common misconceptions and the techniques that best change people's mind: https://www.edx.org/course/making-sense-of-climate-science-denial https://www.edx.org/course/making-sense-of-climate-science-d... I really hope our species can solve this collective action problem because I'd hate to imagine how future generations will look back on us. People seem to think technology is going to somehow make things go back to how it was. That things will get better. Things are never going to get better, they are only going to get worse. How much worse depends on what we do today.

myshpa 3y ago
> Things are never going to get better, they are only going to get worse. How much worse depends on what we do today. https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLNcGo6a-yKuIubvDb6mIyd0KHQ-7UasJH https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLNcGo6a-yKuIubvDb6mIy...
myshpa 3y ago
I can't edit my other comment, but this is even better source to explain the lack of action from our governments. "What is ecologically and socially necessary for sustainability is not polically feasible, but the politically feasible is ecologically and socially ineffective, if not catastrophic." (time @ 50.20) Dr. Bill Rees, 2021-12-01, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CVe8-eKSK8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CVe8-eKSK8

CodeSgt 3y ago

As much as I hate to say this, I’ve lost almost all concern for the environment “crisis”. Not saying it isn’t real, but at 24 years old now I’ve been seeing panic-fuel since I was 10 on Disney channel about the hole in the ozone layer (that managed to fix itself), deforestation, the coral reefs, etc. I’ve been told I should be scared of the world ending because selfish greedy humans are destroying it for literally as long as I can remember, and I’m over it. I can’t bring myself to always be anxious about it. It’s either live a lifetime of worry or say fuck it and live my life. I recycle, I rideshare when I can, I take the steps that are convenient to me to help, but I just can’t be bothered getting that worked up over it anymore.

jmholla 3y ago
> that managed to fix itself We fixed it by significantly reducing our usage of the chemicals that were causing it allowing it to repair itself.
ZeroGravitas 3y ago
> the hole in the ozone layer (that managed to fix itself) Humans fixed the ozone layer, via the Montreal Protocol https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montreal_Protocol https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montreal_Protocol
- upsidesinclude 3y ago
  >Humans fixed the ozone layer Humans stopped creating a hole in the ozone layer
jondwillis 3y ago
At 33 years old, I can say that what you’ve just expressed is probably not your end state mindset, nor should it be. I have definitely agreed with your sentiment in various portions of my life, but it stopped serving me. But if it serves you and your life right now, then that is good. It isn’t worthwhile to be worried about climate and never act on it. Live your life, but the problem isn’t likely going to go away or cease to affect you, in a macro sense.
3y ago

jfengel 3y ago

And the anti-climate lobby is already writing press releases, dated 2025 and 2026, declaring that there has been no warming since 2023. That's what they did after 1998, when we had an especially strong El Niño. Records were broken, and I saw a lot of graphs pointing out downward temperature trends. Those graphs never started in 1997 or 1999 or any other year, but always 1998. In fact, I was already starting to see similar graphs starting at the last El Niño from 2019, and noting that 2022 was merely the sixth warmest year ever. By that time 1998 had dropped out of the top 10. That cherry was no longer available for picking, but as long as the temperature doesn't monotonically go up, there will always be some other year to be "no warming since..." All they have to do is get through this year, probably with the line "weather isn't the same as climate". So I appreciate the experts' new warning, but I wish I knew what to do with that information. All reasonable tactics of persuasion have long since failed. Maybe we'll get lucky: the heat dome this year just happens to cover a lot of people with an ideological predisposition to doubt climate change, and might just change a few minds even though it really is due to weather than climate.

htss2013 3y ago
There's no way to peacefully convince like 20 countries whose budgets all rely on selling fossil fuels to stop selling them, and the same goes for the countless buyers whose livelihoods depend on using them. Are you going to mandate they endure mass starvation and economic collapse? So what is the point of going on about deniers and anti climate XYZ? Even if they all agreed with you, what would change? It seems like pointless scapegoating and divisiveness.
- jfengel 3y ago
  Forty years ago we could have accomplished something. Now I just want everyone to know that climate deniers are liars and bad people. It won't save us from the disasters, but climate denialism also comes with a cluster of other horrific anti social behavior. The political party that makes climate denialism its official platform should not be voted for under any circumstances. That will not stave off disaster long term but it might let us have some cogent national discussion for once while we wait.