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Sounds like an OS problem. When I do that it moves all open windows to the remaining display, but when I turn the other display back on it just moves them back.

by Aaargh20318 3y ago

Sounds like an OS problem. When I do that it moves all open windows to the remaining display, but when I turn the other display back on it just moves them back. No special software installed for this, just stock macOS Ventura.

LoveMortuus 3y ago
But when I turn off my displays that are on HDMI or DVI or VGA, the computer still detects them like normal, like they're connected, because they are. I don't understand in which case the 'act like it's physically disconnected' behaviour would be more desired than what we had with all the standards before. I have read that some DisplayPort displays do have an option in the settings to disable this behaviour.
- Aaargh20318 3y ago
  > But when I turn off my displays that are on HDMI or DVI or VGA, the computer still detects them like normal, like they're connected, because they are. But since they’re off, that doesn’t make any sense, now you can’t reach any windows on those monitors. I think the macOS behavior make the most sense, move them so you can access them, but move them back once the display is turned on.
  - Joker_vD 3y ago
    Or, you know, don't do any of those silly dances and just let the windows stay where they are the whole time between turning the displays off and on? Reminds me of that problem with video driver update on Windows when the screen is momentarily resized down to 1024x768 resolution and then instantly goes back to 2560x1440: all the non-maxed windows get shrunk down and shifted to the upper-left corner (so they would be visible on a 1024x768 screen) and then they just stay like this. It's totally useless and actually quite annoying.
    - someplaceguy 3y ago
      Sounds like a Windows problem once again...
    - kiririn 3y ago
      This nonsense is solved in Windows 11
  - throw0101c 3y ago
    > But since they’re off, that doesn’t make any sense, now you can’t reach any windows on those monitors. Perhaps I want to turn off the displays to darken the room. I don't want anything done with the programs/windows except not look at them.
Perz1val 3y ago
It's not an OS problem, that's how DP is supposed to work and that's in fact stupid
- Aaargh20318 3y ago
  It’s an OS problem for not handling monitors being disconnected and reconnected properly. What is stupid is having half your windows unreachable because they are on a monitor that is turned off. How does that help anyone? Imagine how annoying it would be on a laptop? I use my laptop in a meeting, and have a few windows open on its screen, then I arrive at my desk and plug in my 2 external monitors and keep my laptop lid closed. Imagine if the windows on the laptop display stayed there, they would be unreachable and would have to manually move them to my other screens every time I moved from a meeting to my desk. Same for the other way around, I disconnect from my monitors and take my laptop to a meeting, and then I can’t access any of the dozens of windows I had open on my 2 external monitors. That would be an absolutely brain dead way of working.
  - hot_gril 3y ago
    Makes sense to move the windows if you close a laptop lid, but not if you turn off a monitor. You can't disconnect the laptop screen, but you can easily disconnect the monitor. I have a cheap laptop that doesn't understand a turned-off monitor as unusable, and it's actually way nicer that way.
    - Aaargh20318 3y ago
      Why is it nicer? What is the use case for having unreachable windows?
      - hot_gril 3y ago
        Not having your windows get messed up when you turn the monitor on/off, which is especially relevant for TVs and projectors. On the flip side, what's the use case for connecting to a powered-off monitor and not using it? If I don't want to use a monitor, I won't connect it.

LoveMortuus 3y ago

But when I turn off my displays that are on HDMI or DVI or VGA, the computer still detects them like normal, like they're connected, because they are. I don't understand in which case the 'act like it's physically disconnected' behaviour would be more desired than what we had with all the standards before. I have read that some DisplayPort displays do have an option in the settings to disable this behaviour.

Aaargh20318 3y ago
> But when I turn off my displays that are on HDMI or DVI or VGA, the computer still detects them like normal, like they're connected, because they are. But since they’re off, that doesn’t make any sense, now you can’t reach any windows on those monitors. I think the macOS behavior make the most sense, move them so you can access them, but move them back once the display is turned on.
- Joker_vD 3y ago
  Or, you know, don't do any of those silly dances and just let the windows stay where they are the whole time between turning the displays off and on? Reminds me of that problem with video driver update on Windows when the screen is momentarily resized down to 1024x768 resolution and then instantly goes back to 2560x1440: all the non-maxed windows get shrunk down and shifted to the upper-left corner (so they would be visible on a 1024x768 screen) and then they just stay like this. It's totally useless and actually quite annoying.
  - someplaceguy 3y ago
    Sounds like a Windows problem once again...
  - kiririn 3y ago
    This nonsense is solved in Windows 11
- throw0101c 3y ago
  > But since they’re off, that doesn’t make any sense, now you can’t reach any windows on those monitors. Perhaps I want to turn off the displays to darken the room. I don't want anything done with the programs/windows except not look at them.

Perz1val 3y ago

It's not an OS problem, that's how DP is supposed to work and that's in fact stupid

Aaargh20318 3y ago
It’s an OS problem for not handling monitors being disconnected and reconnected properly. What is stupid is having half your windows unreachable because they are on a monitor that is turned off. How does that help anyone? Imagine how annoying it would be on a laptop? I use my laptop in a meeting, and have a few windows open on its screen, then I arrive at my desk and plug in my 2 external monitors and keep my laptop lid closed. Imagine if the windows on the laptop display stayed there, they would be unreachable and would have to manually move them to my other screens every time I moved from a meeting to my desk. Same for the other way around, I disconnect from my monitors and take my laptop to a meeting, and then I can’t access any of the dozens of windows I had open on my 2 external monitors. That would be an absolutely brain dead way of working.
- hot_gril 3y ago
  Makes sense to move the windows if you close a laptop lid, but not if you turn off a monitor. You can't disconnect the laptop screen, but you can easily disconnect the monitor. I have a cheap laptop that doesn't understand a turned-off monitor as unusable, and it's actually way nicer that way.
  - Aaargh20318 3y ago
    Why is it nicer? What is the use case for having unreachable windows?
    - hot_gril 3y ago
      Not having your windows get messed up when you turn the monitor on/off, which is especially relevant for TVs and projectors. On the flip side, what's the use case for connecting to a powered-off monitor and not using it? If I don't want to use a monitor, I won't connect it.