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Totally agree with your analysis. I’m often called an Apple fan mostly by people that don’t know the difference, when I’m the first to express frustration that

by atonse 3y ago

Totally agree with your analysis. I’m often called an Apple fan mostly by people that don’t know the difference, when I’m the first to express frustration that Apple seems to be the only game in town that has such deep and excellent integration between products in the whole ecosystem, coupled with security and privacy baked in from the hardware level all the way to software. It isn’t on Apple to open up iMessage, express your frustration at Google and others for not being able to build a halfway decent alternative in nearly 15 years. So instead they shove the RCS turd down everyone’s throats. Remember, iMessage wasn’t the first of its kind. Blackberry messenger had similar network effects. Yet Apple built a great alternative. So don’t disparage them for building something great. Get mad at the others for not bothering to compete, leaving customers wanting more.

goosedragons 3y ago
Apple is also a problem. Do you think if Google/carriers had the perfect messaging open standard ready to go they would bother implementing it? I doubt it. Tim Cook's response to someone asking for RCS support to chat with their mother was to "Buy your mom an iPhone". It's in Apple's best interest to not bother with things like this or half ass it so long as their own solution looks good. They don't support MTP commonly used by Android devices (and others) to talk to computers either for example. Another example is NFC pairing. NFC pairing is great and has been around for years, iPhones have had NFC for years. Apple never bothered but implemented "quick" pairing with the release of the Airpods (honestly its jankier too but hey...).
howinteresting 3y ago
> It isn’t on Apple to open up iMessage Ah, but it is, morally. That's what comes when you have the greatest "profit share".
- meepmorp 3y ago
  > Ah, but it is, morally. Ah, but it isn't, in reality. Your moral judgments have no power over anyone but you.
  - howinteresting 3y ago
    > Your moral judgments have no power over anyone but you. This is a statement that closes a discussion. Instead, prefer making statements that open a discussion. For example, in this case: in which ways can moral judgments be channeled into actual power? One answer to this question is "the law". The EU has already taken action in this regard.
    - meepmorp 3y ago
      I wasn't even talking about your capacity to force your judgements on others, just that they're morally valueless beyond your own mind. Nice to see where your thinking is at, though.
      - howinteresting 3y ago
        > I wasn't even talking about your capacity to force your judgements on others, just that they're morally valueless beyond your own mind. That, too, is just plainly not true. Moral utterances can and do change people's minds all the time, so by definition they have non-zero value to other people. I've had my mind changed on a lot of things thanks to other people's moral utterances -- haven't you?

by atonse 3y ago

goosedragons 3y ago

Apple is also a problem. Do you think if Google/carriers had the perfect messaging open standard ready to go they would bother implementing it? I doubt it. Tim Cook's response to someone asking for RCS support to chat with their mother was to "Buy your mom an iPhone". It's in Apple's best interest to not bother with things like this or half ass it so long as their own solution looks good. They don't support MTP commonly used by Android devices (and others) to talk to computers either for example. Another example is NFC pairing. NFC pairing is great and has been around for years, iPhones have had NFC for years. Apple never bothered but implemented "quick" pairing with the release of the Airpods (honestly its jankier too but hey...).

howinteresting 3y ago

> It isn’t on Apple to open up iMessage Ah, but it is, morally. That's what comes when you have the greatest "profit share".

meepmorp 3y ago
> Ah, but it is, morally. Ah, but it isn't, in reality. Your moral judgments have no power over anyone but you.
- howinteresting 3y ago
  > Your moral judgments have no power over anyone but you. This is a statement that closes a discussion. Instead, prefer making statements that open a discussion. For example, in this case: in which ways can moral judgments be channeled into actual power? One answer to this question is "the law". The EU has already taken action in this regard.
  - meepmorp 3y ago
    I wasn't even talking about your capacity to force your judgements on others, just that they're morally valueless beyond your own mind. Nice to see where your thinking is at, though.
    - howinteresting 3y ago
      > I wasn't even talking about your capacity to force your judgements on others, just that they're morally valueless beyond your own mind. That, too, is just plainly not true. Moral utterances can and do change people's minds all the time, so by definition they have non-zero value to other people. I've had my mind changed on a lot of things thanks to other people's moral utterances -- haven't you?