> We shouldn't be putting anything into consumer electronics with an expiry date. So you wouldn't have half the consumer electronics we have because nobody wou

> We shouldn't be putting anything into consumer electronics with an expiry date. So you wouldn't have half the consumer electronics we have because nobody would be able to afford them. We should be making consumer electronics with reasonable life expectancies. 150 years in the future I don't want to use something from 150 years ago that "still works", I want something that is new with more capabilities, that is cheaper, that does the thing better. Why create undestructible phones that will last 150 years when nobody other than vintage collectors will want them after ~10 years due to other problems with material degradation, fashion etc. The optimal point is to not create discardable things, but it's also realising that if you're making something forever you're going to use up way more resources and people will still stop using those devices for other reasons, so you just created more waste. Too short life = too much waste due to replacement needs. Too long life = too many wasted resources per-device which will be abandoned for other reasons.