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> A "year or two" of the core Django team's time is easily several million bucks. Ahhhahaha, ahhhahahahahahahahahaha! Good lord I wish this was true!

temphn 15y ago
https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/dev/internals/committers/ https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/dev/internals/committers/ Jacob, there look like about 20 or more programmers on that page. At even $100k per programmer, isn't that about $2.4 million? And isn't the number much more than that given that you are among the most skilled engineers?
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- kisielk 15y ago
  You seem to be making the assumption that many of those people are working on Django full time. It's pretty clear from their descriptions that most of them have other day jobs.
- jacobian 15y ago
  * We have about 30 people with the commit bit; at any given time I'd guess about a dozen are active. * "Even 100k" implies that you think a six figure salary is reasonable for programmers. This is true in some rarefied echo chambers likethe Bay Area where programmer salaries are overinflated, but it's far from a universal The majority of our committers don't live near San Francisco. Actually, I think most live outside the US these days. I don't believe the median salary of a Django committers is 100k -- though for my fellow committers' sake I hope I'm wrong :) * I only wish "being a core Django committer" was some magic "Get a Great Job Paying Six Figures Card". No good hiring manager assumes that "has a Django commit bit" translates to "among the most skilled engineers"; I only wish I could pull down "much more than" 100k based solely on my Django status. It's certainly a good time to be a Django dev, but while being contributor might help you get your foot in the door, it won't land you a salary increase over your peers. * None of us get paid to work on Django anywhere close to full time. We get paid to do other things; we're lucky if we get a few hours a week to hack on Django as a side project. This again shows that our value in the salary marketplace isn't linked to our willingness to volunteer time to Django. * Finally, this whole silly exercise assumes it would take "a year or two" of ALL of our time to get Django onto Python 3. That's laughable: it's mostly done already with perhaps a couple of man-months of activity. There's nowhere near 20 programmer-years worth of work; suggesting such is simply insane. Toss me that 100k you're bandying about so easily and I'll have it done by May :)
  - jasonkeene 15y ago
    > Toss me that 100k you're bandying about so easily and I'll have it done by May :) Considering merge with trunk will probably be done shortly after 1.4 I don't think he'll be getting his money's worth ;)
- gojomo 15y ago
  Also, in the original "year or two" mention, that's wall-clock-time, not applied-effort-time. While waiting for the world to adjust at a gentle pace, plenty of other productive work will be underway.

temphn 15y ago

https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/dev/internals/committers/ https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/dev/internals/committers/ Jacob, there look like about 20 or more programmers on that page. At even $100k per programmer, isn't that about $2.4 million? And isn't the number much more than that given that you are among the most skilled engineers?

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kisielk 15y ago
You seem to be making the assumption that many of those people are working on Django full time. It's pretty clear from their descriptions that most of them have other day jobs.
jacobian 15y ago
* We have about 30 people with the commit bit; at any given time I'd guess about a dozen are active. * "Even 100k" implies that you think a six figure salary is reasonable for programmers. This is true in some rarefied echo chambers likethe Bay Area where programmer salaries are overinflated, but it's far from a universal The majority of our committers don't live near San Francisco. Actually, I think most live outside the US these days. I don't believe the median salary of a Django committers is 100k -- though for my fellow committers' sake I hope I'm wrong :) * I only wish "being a core Django committer" was some magic "Get a Great Job Paying Six Figures Card". No good hiring manager assumes that "has a Django commit bit" translates to "among the most skilled engineers"; I only wish I could pull down "much more than" 100k based solely on my Django status. It's certainly a good time to be a Django dev, but while being contributor might help you get your foot in the door, it won't land you a salary increase over your peers. * None of us get paid to work on Django anywhere close to full time. We get paid to do other things; we're lucky if we get a few hours a week to hack on Django as a side project. This again shows that our value in the salary marketplace isn't linked to our willingness to volunteer time to Django. * Finally, this whole silly exercise assumes it would take "a year or two" of ALL of our time to get Django onto Python 3. That's laughable: it's mostly done already with perhaps a couple of man-months of activity. There's nowhere near 20 programmer-years worth of work; suggesting such is simply insane. Toss me that 100k you're bandying about so easily and I'll have it done by May :)
- jasonkeene 15y ago
  > Toss me that 100k you're bandying about so easily and I'll have it done by May :) Considering merge with trunk will probably be done shortly after 1.4 I don't think he'll be getting his money's worth ;)
gojomo 15y ago
Also, in the original "year or two" mention, that's wall-clock-time, not applied-effort-time. While waiting for the world to adjust at a gentle pace, plenty of other productive work will be underway.