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> 2. If Russian forces are pushed back to the pre-February 2022 borders (and/or even out of Crimea), then what? They can still lob artillery, missiles, and dron

> 2. If Russian forces are pushed back to the pre-February 2022 borders (and/or even out of Crimea), then what? They can still lob artillery, missiles, and drones with impunity. Counter battery fire is a thing. And Ukrainians have no problem to shoot into Russia itself. They will just say that it was Russian Freedom legion or Russian partisans. While everyone knows that it won't be true, nobody can also proof that they were Ukrainians. It is just use of Maskirovka against its inventor. Drones and missiles are more difficult to intercept, but there must be somebody on the other side to control them and Ukraine is starting to adapt Mossad-like techniques to execute whoever is doing that. [0] is Captain of Russian submarine launching Kalibr missiles, shot dead yesterday. [0] https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/07/11/russia-ukraine-war-latest-news-nato-zelensky-putin/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/07/11/russia-ukr...

herewulf 3y ago
Counter battery fire[1] into Russia isn't going to end the war, just the opposite. I guess Russia will blame the mushroom clouds on the Russian partisans too? [1] And we'll ignore issues with ranging, disproportionate numbers, ammunition, etc Interesting article but any particular submarine captain getting schwacked on his morning run isn't going to affect the overall Russian war effort.
- TheLoafOfBread 3y ago
  That some wishful thinking, truth is, that artillery fire into Russia [0] and drone attacks into Russia [1] are common occurrence if you did not slept last 500 days. And no mushroom clouds have followed. [0] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jun/01/anti-putin-partisans-shell-russian-town https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jun/01/anti-putin-par... [1] https://kyivindependent.com/russian-governor-claims-drone-attack-on-oil-refinery-in-bryansk-oblast/ https://kyivindependent.com/russian-governor-claims-drone-at...

herewulf 3y ago

Counter battery fire[1] into Russia isn't going to end the war, just the opposite. I guess Russia will blame the mushroom clouds on the Russian partisans too? [1] And we'll ignore issues with ranging, disproportionate numbers, ammunition, etc Interesting article but any particular submarine captain getting schwacked on his morning run isn't going to affect the overall Russian war effort.

TheLoafOfBread 3y ago
That some wishful thinking, truth is, that artillery fire into Russia [0] and drone attacks into Russia [1] are common occurrence if you did not slept last 500 days. And no mushroom clouds have followed. [0] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jun/01/anti-putin-partisans-shell-russian-town https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jun/01/anti-putin-par... [1] https://kyivindependent.com/russian-governor-claims-drone-attack-on-oil-refinery-in-bryansk-oblast/ https://kyivindependent.com/russian-governor-claims-drone-at...