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I would be pretty annoyed to discover Apple unlocking my Activation Locked devices without contacting me, positively identifying me and getting my permission to

I would be pretty annoyed to discover Apple unlocking my Activation Locked devices without contacting me, positively identifying me and getting my permission to unlock them. The whole point of Activation Lock is to ruin the resale value of stolen Apple products.

sangnoir 3y ago
> The whole point of Activation Lock is to ruin the resale value of stolen Apple products. Software-locked products are just be broken up and/or sold for parts[0] - so thieves will only be slightly less motivated. The downside is donated and estate sale M1 mainboards will be condemned to the trash heap. Less technical people are also more likely to throw the whole computer away. 0. I do this already to feed my repair addiction. I buy from my favorite charity thrift store, so the goods are not likely not stolen. A device with cracked screen can be fixed by parts from an activation-locked device.
- alanfranz 3y ago
  Is there no serial matching on M1 preventing reuse of mobo and other parts?
  - sangnoir 3y ago
    To my knowledge - not for laptop parts like display assembly or keyboard. Do you think such system would be a net-positive? I.e. 3rd party recyclers & repair shops having to contact previous owner before they can use parts that have been sitting for months/years on a shelf.
- ransackdev 3y ago
  I guess one pro to the lack of end user repairability, due everything being soldered to the mainboard, is that the majority of components are permanently affixed to the bricked ssd and security chips. Battery and screen are about all that could be chopped and some imo
  - sangnoir 3y ago
    People are surprisingly resourceful: there's an old YouTube video I saw of someone in Shenzen building a working iPhone from parts. > Battery and screen are about all that could be chopped and some imo Battery and screen, and case, trackpad, keyboard, speakers, audio daughterboard, ports, touch Id button, hinges.
- n8henrie 3y ago
  I dream of learning to do electronics repairs (as a hobby). Were / are you a (former) professional?
  - sangnoir 3y ago
    I'm a complete noob, I can only do assembly-level repairs: replacing batteries, screens & such. All I do is unscrew things, remove ribbon cables and put things back together - and maybe some terrible de/soldering if replacing a battery. I only got into it when I had to replace a cracked tablet screen (the Nexus 7 was great!) All you need are basic tools, spare parts, the right YouTube/iFixIt video, patience, and the accepting that you may make a mess of your current project. If you want to try it out, I'd recommend fixing a broken gadget that would have otherwise been discarded. You'll exercise finding the right repair tools and how to find the spares online
    - n8henrie 3y ago
      That's great to hear! I've got a few devices laying around that roughly match that description, would like to find a good source for stuff with cracked screens. Until then eBay it is!
- newaccount74 3y ago
  > Software-locked products are just be broken up and/or sold for parts Yeah, but the value is a fraction of a working machine. Base M1 Macbook Airs are selling for 800€, I doubt you'd get half of that for the parts in an activation locked Macbook. And it would take 10 times as long to sell it, because the market for parts is tiny compared to the market for working Macs. If there was a big market for used parts, then the M1 MacBooks would not be getting scrapped as the video implies.
  - sangnoir 3y ago
    > Base M1 Macbook Airs are selling for 800€, I doubt you'd get half of that for the parts in an activation locked Macbook All true, but the next question is: would a thief not steal a MacBook Air if they are only getting €400[0] rather than €800? IMO, halving the reward won't make a dent on the rate MacBooks are stolen, whole inconveniencing everyone else who cares about aftermarket repairs. 0. Actual thieves are unlikely to sell their wares at anything close to full price, unless it's a an organized ring - so the actual difference might be between getting €200 or getting €100. Either is free money, from thieves perspective
    - newaccount74 3y ago
      Thieves might need a fence to sell a locked Macbook for parts, but there's no way a thief would sell an unlocked, working Macbook to someone for 200€. It's trivial to sell working Macbooks on local classified websites. You don't need a fence to sell an unlocked Macbook. In my experience, if you sell it for a good price (10-20% below average) it's going to be sold within days. So the reward would be 800€ for unlocked Macbook vs maybe 100€ for a locked Macbook if you are lucky selling it for parts to a repair shop that doesn't ask questions. And that's assuming you have a base model: Models with extra RAM and SSD go for higher prices, but if you sell it for parts those upgrades are worthless.
      - sangnoir 3y ago
        > So the reward would be 800€ for unlocked Macbook vs maybe 100€ for a locked Macbook As someone who frequently browses used electronics - you're way off on the locked Macbook prices - you probably won't even get a locked iPad (latest 3 generations) for €100 - let alone a MacBook. A locked 2020 M1 MacBook Air is going for $319[1] on eBay. Compared to $600[2] for an unlocked version of the same model on the same site. So my instinct of about half-price for locked device checks out 1. https://www.ebay.com/itm/364344402004 https://www.ebay.com/itm/364344402004 2. https://www.ebay.com/itm/266332684599 https://www.ebay.com/itm/266332684599
MegaThorx 3y ago
But is it worth it if we create more electronic waste because of it? I somewhat like the idea of the activation lock system, because it makes the devices unattractive for stealing it. On the other hand it creates more unnecessary waste (at least they way Apple implemented it). A way to unlock them should be provided. Report the serial to apple, they try to inform the owner by mail and/or push and after a 30 days grace period it should be unlocked. Another benefit of such a system is that it might even help to locate stolen devices.
- sieabahlpark 3y ago
  Yes, because fuck you for buying a stolen product? Are you actually perpetuating making stolen goods resellable?
- yreg 3y ago
  If you want your stolen mac to be usable, you are free to remote wipe it and unlock it…
- tomjen3 3y ago
  I can already locate my stolen device through find my. If anything I want Apple to be even harder on this so that no used component could be put anywhere else and work. Ideally I would be able to remote detonate the battery to deter thieves, but there are sadly legal issues around this. But if somebody were to steal my laptop I would have to buy a new one, which would cause more waste. The best thing to do therefore is to ensure that nobody steals laptops.
candiodari 3y ago
Would it really be that big of a problem if Apple simply allowed you to register a device as stolen? Let's say if a device is not used for 30 days, and the original owner takes no action, Apple would allow reactivation. Apple already allows you to register a device as stolen.

sangnoir 3y ago

> The whole point of Activation Lock is to ruin the resale value of stolen Apple products. Software-locked products are just be broken up and/or sold for parts[0] - so thieves will only be slightly less motivated. The downside is donated and estate sale M1 mainboards will be condemned to the trash heap. Less technical people are also more likely to throw the whole computer away. 0. I do this already to feed my repair addiction. I buy from my favorite charity thrift store, so the goods are not likely not stolen. A device with cracked screen can be fixed by parts from an activation-locked device.

alanfranz 3y ago
Is there no serial matching on M1 preventing reuse of mobo and other parts?
- sangnoir 3y ago
  To my knowledge - not for laptop parts like display assembly or keyboard. Do you think such system would be a net-positive? I.e. 3rd party recyclers & repair shops having to contact previous owner before they can use parts that have been sitting for months/years on a shelf.
ransackdev 3y ago
I guess one pro to the lack of end user repairability, due everything being soldered to the mainboard, is that the majority of components are permanently affixed to the bricked ssd and security chips. Battery and screen are about all that could be chopped and some imo
- sangnoir 3y ago
  People are surprisingly resourceful: there's an old YouTube video I saw of someone in Shenzen building a working iPhone from parts. > Battery and screen are about all that could be chopped and some imo Battery and screen, and case, trackpad, keyboard, speakers, audio daughterboard, ports, touch Id button, hinges.
n8henrie 3y ago
I dream of learning to do electronics repairs (as a hobby). Were / are you a (former) professional?
- sangnoir 3y ago
  I'm a complete noob, I can only do assembly-level repairs: replacing batteries, screens & such. All I do is unscrew things, remove ribbon cables and put things back together - and maybe some terrible de/soldering if replacing a battery. I only got into it when I had to replace a cracked tablet screen (the Nexus 7 was great!) All you need are basic tools, spare parts, the right YouTube/iFixIt video, patience, and the accepting that you may make a mess of your current project. If you want to try it out, I'd recommend fixing a broken gadget that would have otherwise been discarded. You'll exercise finding the right repair tools and how to find the spares online
  - n8henrie 3y ago
    That's great to hear! I've got a few devices laying around that roughly match that description, would like to find a good source for stuff with cracked screens. Until then eBay it is!
newaccount74 3y ago
> Software-locked products are just be broken up and/or sold for parts Yeah, but the value is a fraction of a working machine. Base M1 Macbook Airs are selling for 800€, I doubt you'd get half of that for the parts in an activation locked Macbook. And it would take 10 times as long to sell it, because the market for parts is tiny compared to the market for working Macs. If there was a big market for used parts, then the M1 MacBooks would not be getting scrapped as the video implies.
- sangnoir 3y ago
  > Base M1 Macbook Airs are selling for 800€, I doubt you'd get half of that for the parts in an activation locked Macbook All true, but the next question is: would a thief not steal a MacBook Air if they are only getting €400[0] rather than €800? IMO, halving the reward won't make a dent on the rate MacBooks are stolen, whole inconveniencing everyone else who cares about aftermarket repairs. 0. Actual thieves are unlikely to sell their wares at anything close to full price, unless it's a an organized ring - so the actual difference might be between getting €200 or getting €100. Either is free money, from thieves perspective
  - newaccount74 3y ago
    Thieves might need a fence to sell a locked Macbook for parts, but there's no way a thief would sell an unlocked, working Macbook to someone for 200€. It's trivial to sell working Macbooks on local classified websites. You don't need a fence to sell an unlocked Macbook. In my experience, if you sell it for a good price (10-20% below average) it's going to be sold within days. So the reward would be 800€ for unlocked Macbook vs maybe 100€ for a locked Macbook if you are lucky selling it for parts to a repair shop that doesn't ask questions. And that's assuming you have a base model: Models with extra RAM and SSD go for higher prices, but if you sell it for parts those upgrades are worthless.
    - sangnoir 3y ago
      > So the reward would be 800€ for unlocked Macbook vs maybe 100€ for a locked Macbook As someone who frequently browses used electronics - you're way off on the locked Macbook prices - you probably won't even get a locked iPad (latest 3 generations) for €100 - let alone a MacBook. A locked 2020 M1 MacBook Air is going for $319[1] on eBay. Compared to $600[2] for an unlocked version of the same model on the same site. So my instinct of about half-price for locked device checks out 1. https://www.ebay.com/itm/364344402004 https://www.ebay.com/itm/364344402004 2. https://www.ebay.com/itm/266332684599 https://www.ebay.com/itm/266332684599

MegaThorx 3y ago

But is it worth it if we create more electronic waste because of it? I somewhat like the idea of the activation lock system, because it makes the devices unattractive for stealing it. On the other hand it creates more unnecessary waste (at least they way Apple implemented it). A way to unlock them should be provided. Report the serial to apple, they try to inform the owner by mail and/or push and after a 30 days grace period it should be unlocked. Another benefit of such a system is that it might even help to locate stolen devices.

sieabahlpark 3y ago
Yes, because fuck you for buying a stolen product? Are you actually perpetuating making stolen goods resellable?
yreg 3y ago
If you want your stolen mac to be usable, you are free to remote wipe it and unlock it…
tomjen3 3y ago
I can already locate my stolen device through find my. If anything I want Apple to be even harder on this so that no used component could be put anywhere else and work. Ideally I would be able to remote detonate the battery to deter thieves, but there are sadly legal issues around this. But if somebody were to steal my laptop I would have to buy a new one, which would cause more waste. The best thing to do therefore is to ensure that nobody steals laptops.

candiodari 3y ago

Would it really be that big of a problem if Apple simply allowed you to register a device as stolen? Let's say if a device is not used for 30 days, and the original owner takes no action, Apple would allow reactivation. Apple already allows you to register a device as stolen.