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How do you know? do you have insider knowledge of this or is it just based on what they share publically?

seanthemon 3y ago
From what I see in that GPT 3 and 4 was a bit of a rugpull for the industry, now we're all laughing at Google because seemingly they had their hands on the rug for nearly a decade and did nothing - but from the other perspective, maybe they saw the future openai has now brought us and decided against being the pioneers
- tiffanyg 3y ago
  Amazingly enough, I think this is a bit of it. Some powerful enough people at Google became concerned about implications, including around "hallucinations", "poisoning", etc., and decided to put this sort of research on something of a backburner - justified, in part, by a lack of some obvious easy interfacing of this with search (scaling, hallucinations, etc.). Of course, the 'wonderful' thing about humans / "independent agents with survival drives in competitive game-theoretic type scenarios" is: if enough people / "agents" have access / opportunity, someone WILL "push the button". It's just delicious ... the same kinds of patterns over and over - "oh, we should really do something about X / nobody should have power like X, ... but, there's no stopping it, ... oh well". And, the "rules" really are subtly, many levels down, in place, to make it apparently impossible to not get trapped, one way or another. (Anyway... [Cartman voice] Screw you guys, I'm going to my other planet...)
swyx 3y ago
as a fun ancedote, the Google Bard's implicit code execution update from *last month*, advertised by Sundar... no longer works https://twitter.com/swyx/status/1678495067663925248 https://twitter.com/swyx/status/1678495067663925248 i'd love to know whats going on in that team.
- H8crilA 3y ago
  Probably safety-driven terror. They really really want to get their bots going, but in every single meeting some PM or other concerned engineer talks about safety and f**s up the entire meeting. They even made the bot not respond to arithmetics questions because the bot is bad at this, lol. Someone who knows how to modify the bot had actually spent their time on something as unimportant as that.
  - astrange 3y ago
    Bard being bad at anything else doesn't seem to stop it. It hallucinates at the drop of the hat. Asking it almost any question implying X nonexistent thing exists causes it to make that thing up.
- donkeyd 3y ago
  > i'd love to know whats going on in that team. Seems like a good time to rewatch Silicon Valley and watch Hooli scramble to keep up.
- tudorw 3y ago
  quite, some aspects of emergent behaviour are exciting, others must be a painful learning experience.

From what I see in that GPT 3 and 4 was a bit of a rugpull for the industry, now we're all laughing at Google because seemingly they had their hands on the rug for nearly a decade and did nothing - but from the other perspective, maybe they saw the future openai has now brought us and decided against being the pioneers

tiffanyg 3y ago
Amazingly enough, I think this is a bit of it. Some powerful enough people at Google became concerned about implications, including around "hallucinations", "poisoning", etc., and decided to put this sort of research on something of a backburner - justified, in part, by a lack of some obvious easy interfacing of this with search (scaling, hallucinations, etc.). Of course, the 'wonderful' thing about humans / "independent agents with survival drives in competitive game-theoretic type scenarios" is: if enough people / "agents" have access / opportunity, someone WILL "push the button". It's just delicious ... the same kinds of patterns over and over - "oh, we should really do something about X / nobody should have power like X, ... but, there's no stopping it, ... oh well". And, the "rules" really are subtly, many levels down, in place, to make it apparently impossible to not get trapped, one way or another. (Anyway... [Cartman voice] Screw you guys, I'm going to my other planet...)

swyx 3y ago

as a fun ancedote, the Google Bard's implicit code execution update from *last month*, advertised by Sundar... no longer works https://twitter.com/swyx/status/1678495067663925248 https://twitter.com/swyx/status/1678495067663925248 i'd love to know whats going on in that team.

H8crilA 3y ago
Probably safety-driven terror. They really really want to get their bots going, but in every single meeting some PM or other concerned engineer talks about safety and f**s up the entire meeting. They even made the bot not respond to arithmetics questions because the bot is bad at this, lol. Someone who knows how to modify the bot had actually spent their time on something as unimportant as that.
- astrange 3y ago
  Bard being bad at anything else doesn't seem to stop it. It hallucinates at the drop of the hat. Asking it almost any question implying X nonexistent thing exists causes it to make that thing up.
donkeyd 3y ago
> i'd love to know whats going on in that team. Seems like a good time to rewatch Silicon Valley and watch Hooli scramble to keep up.
tudorw 3y ago
quite, some aspects of emergent behaviour are exciting, others must be a painful learning experience.