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Probably 70 or 80% of cloud workloads are Linux, and like 60% of embedded devices, of which there are billions. And of those embedded/mobile devices, the rest
by genmud 3y ago
Probably 70 or 80% of cloud workloads are Linux, and like 60% of embedded devices, of which there are billions.
And of those embedded/mobile devices, the rest will either be running iOS, vxworks, freertos or zephyr.
I think the joke has always been "this is the year of Linux", but in all honesty... it's the decade of Linux. It's probably one of the few areas where there is growth in computing capacity and by far most of the net new is running Linux.
- andsoitis 3y agoConsumers don't know any of that. The article is about desktop penetration. There was a chance with mobile phones to use and signal Linux, but that didn't happen either. Still, congratulations on hitting 3% desktop share.
- ixaxaar 3y ago> There was a chance with mobile phones to use and signal Linux, but that didn't happen either. What do you mean? Android is Linux!
- pjmlp 3y agoAndroid uses the Linux kernel, with a Java/Kotlin userspace.
- bruce511 3y agoAs RMS is quick to point out "linux" is only -ever- the kernel. So yes, android is 100% Linux. It is not Gnu/Linux though. Which is what the desktop folk are celebrating. This is one case where the distinction actually is important.
- pjmlp 3y agoA very important distinction indeed, as the Termux folks keep hitting walls in their thought process that Android/Linux is GNU/Linux. Or how despite having an endless choice of games, and applications, almost none of them are available in GNU/Linux.
- andsoitis 3y ago> What do you mean? Android is Linux! Yes, which is why I said “and signal”, which is to say it isn’t marketed as such and so consumers don’t know that. To them, they’re running Android OS, for better or worse.
- fsflover 3y ago> There was a chance with mobile phones to use and signal Linux, but that didn't happen either. This is plain wrong. Sent from my GNU/Linux smartphone Librem 5.
- photonbeam 3y agoAre there really 20-30% of cloud workloads not on Linux? What do they do? Who uses them?
- COGlory 3y agoI assume Microsoft SQL?
- mcny 3y ago> I assume Microsoft SQL? Yes! Especially if your application is legacy/old and requires Windows anyway. I used to think why people would do that when you can dockerize SQL Server and just use Debian or Fedora or whatever but I once tried that on a legacy application and things... were not quite right. It was easier to install on Windows than to debug the issue so I just let it go. I think things would be different if the code was new or I was familiar with it enough to anticipate how it could break in different ways. If the code/framework is new enough, it might be worthwhile diving into that rabbithole.
- borissk 3y agoMicrosoft SQL Server runs on Linux and Windows.
- trimethylpurine 3y agoBut you need SSMS on a Windows client to manage it effectively. Unless you are doing everything cli, which is just not practical in the enterprise. Anyway, running it in Linux is pretty niche. Cool for show and tell, but you need balls of steel if you're going to try running even a small $100 million dollar business on it.
- borissk 3y agohttps://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/sql/azure-data-studio/download-azure-data-studio?view=sql-server-ver16&tabs=redhat-install%2Credhat-uninstall https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/sql/azure-data-studio/down... It's fully supported by Microsoft on Linux, so if you run into technical problems you have a support line to call.
- rvz 3y agoThe article is specifically about ‘desktop’ market share and not the other markets where Linux is used, which is irrelevant.
- coding123 3y agoLinux is irrelevant in other markets?
- throwaway2990 3y agoIt is when you’re talking specifically about desktop usage.
- rvz 3y agoPrecisely. Quite hilarious to see some HNers who cannot even read the title of the article and are compelled or have the urge to bring up other irrelevant statistics to hide the little to no desktop usage when compared to other desktop operating systems.
- Joker_vD 3y agoThe more things change... I've seen mostly identical (in spirit, not in technical details) discussions about the "Year of Linux on Desktop" in 2013, which was 10 years ago. I am quite sure I can safely bet the discussions 20 years ago, in 2003, were also pretty much the same.
- hollerith 3y ago1999 was the first year of Linux on the desktop if I remember correctly.
- genmud 3y agoAgreed, the article is irrelevant because it talks about desktop Linux market share.
- pjmlp 3y agoGood luck trying to run a proper GNU/Linux on those Android devices. Actually tbere are plenty of other options for embedded. As for the server room, UNIX was already the winner there anyway, since the 1990's.
- genmud 3y agoAOSP with the more modern kernels and less vendor garbage in giant forks will help with that. Unix was king in the 80s, maybe early 90s for anyone doing terminals, banks, government and universities were all ok the big iron train. But when nt3.1 and 3.5 came out, if you were a business not looking into it, you felt like you were behind the times. We had DEC and iris at our house, so weren't in a good position to switch, but it wasn't long before the change happened.
- pjmlp 3y agoI might be a NT fan, yet I am the first to acknowledge NT never had a big market share on the server room. The only places where NT managed to succeed on server room have been Microsoft shops, or places where .NET was adopted as the main development stack. Workstations is another matter. In the 80's many banks were either on mainframes/micros, or using stuff like Novel Netware.
- iso1631 3y ago> The only places where NT managed to succeed on server room have been Microsoft shops, or places where .NET was adopted as the main development stack. .NET came out well after NT was replaced with windows 2000 (unless you claim that 2000, and thus XP and later windows OSes were also NT) > In the 80's many banks were either on mainframes/micros, or using stuff like Novel Netware. In my experience in the late 90s NT crushed Netware. It rode the wave of computerisation of SMEs and gained massive amounts of users (with desktop often being 3.11 onwards rather than NT).
- pjmlp 3y ago.NET came in 2001, to be more precisely yes. Until then it was all about ASP, Outlook, and SMB shares, nothing else. All big stuff was on UNIX. Again, when talking about the server room. From 1999 to 2003, I was doing project delivery across Aix, Solaris, HP-UX, Windows NT/2000, so I might have an idea of how our customer based actually had their server rooms configured. Likewise the university campus was wired to DG/UX, Solaris, eventually Red-Hat came into the picture as DG/UX server died. Computer labs desktops were a mixture Windows 9X, NT, Mac and some lucky professors had a couple of NeXT Cubes, which they eventually replaced by Red-Hat (before Apple's aquisition). So to each their own 1990's anecdote.
- Agentlien 3y agoI find it fascinating how ubiquitous Linux is. I'm my family we have two desktop computers and a laptop. One desktop is running Linux, the other and the laptop are windows. But we're also running Linux on all our phones, two tablets, two TVs, the vacuum cleaner, our router, and probably more devices I'm forgetting or not aware of.
- pjmlp 3y agoThe Linux kernel, yes.
- constantcrying 3y ago>and like 60% of embedded devices Maybe 60% of embedded devices with an OS. But yes, Linux (and BSD) are quite dominant outside of the desktop market segment.