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>Eat whole foods Vegetable oil/soybean oil/canola oil/other refined oils is not a whole food. Unrefined olive oil, butter/ghee, lard etc is.

ta988 3y ago
ghee is refined butter and you could argue butter is refined cream. Those definitions are all fuzzy and context-dependant.
- hammock 3y ago
  “Refined oil” has a specific documented definition, and to be clear I’m talking about chemical refinement. See here: https://youtu.be/Cfk2IXlZdbI https://youtu.be/Cfk2IXlZdbI The distinction you are making is irrelevant and trollsome
  - gruez 3y ago
    > “Refined oil” has a specific documented definition Care to link it? > and to be clear I’m talking about chemical refinement. See here: https://youtu.be/Cfk2IXlZdbI https://youtu.be/Cfk2IXlZdbI What makes it "chemical"? Does the refinement process chemically alter the molecular structure of the lipid molecules?
    - hammock 3y ago
      >Care to link it? Edible oil refining is a set of processes or treatments necessary to turn vegetable raw oil into edible oil. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edible_oil_refining https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edible_oil_refining >What makes it "chemical"? Does the refinement process chemically alter the molecular structure of the lipid molecules? The process uses chemicals as opposed to physical interventions, which is why it is called chemical refinement. Chemicals used in this process can include: phosphoric, citric, sulfuric or hydrochloric acids, EDTA, bleaching earth/bentonite, phospholipase enzymes, caustic soda and silica, plus high temperatures up to 240C. Did you watch the video? Chemical refining is the traditional method used since ancient times. It can be used for all fats and oils. Each step of the refining process has specific functions for removing some undesirable compounds. Chemical refining follows the six-step process outlined at the link (degumming, neutralization, washing and drying, bleaching, dewaxing, and deodorizing). The process also removes the important bioactive molecules in oil such as tocopherols and polyphenols (which can act as antioxidants), squalene and sterols.
      - gruez 3y ago
        >>What makes it "chemical"? Does the refinement process chemically alter the molecular structure of the lipid molecules? >Did you watch the video? So your definition of "chemical" hinges on what happens in a youtube video? I doubt that's the case. What specific steps makes it "chemical"? Am I correct in assuming your criteria is "involves steps that uses scary sounding chemicals"?
TheSpiceIsLife 3y ago
Olive oil isn’t a whole food. Neither is butter, ghee, nor lard. If you extract and concentrate some fraction of a food and eat it disproportionately to what is present in the whole product, you are by definition consuming a not-whole thing.
hombre_fatal 3y ago
You can cold press canola oil. It's one of the best oils to consume rivaling olive oil. Though this is a good example of why the heuristic is nonsense. When we replace saturated fats like your "whole foods list" with pufas like canola oil and your "refined list", we see human health outcomes improve. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4744652/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4744652/

ta988 3y ago

ghee is refined butter and you could argue butter is refined cream. Those definitions are all fuzzy and context-dependant.

hammock 3y ago
“Refined oil” has a specific documented definition, and to be clear I’m talking about chemical refinement. See here: https://youtu.be/Cfk2IXlZdbI https://youtu.be/Cfk2IXlZdbI The distinction you are making is irrelevant and trollsome
- gruez 3y ago
  > “Refined oil” has a specific documented definition Care to link it? > and to be clear I’m talking about chemical refinement. See here: https://youtu.be/Cfk2IXlZdbI https://youtu.be/Cfk2IXlZdbI What makes it "chemical"? Does the refinement process chemically alter the molecular structure of the lipid molecules?
  - hammock 3y ago
    >Care to link it? Edible oil refining is a set of processes or treatments necessary to turn vegetable raw oil into edible oil. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edible_oil_refining https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edible_oil_refining >What makes it "chemical"? Does the refinement process chemically alter the molecular structure of the lipid molecules? The process uses chemicals as opposed to physical interventions, which is why it is called chemical refinement. Chemicals used in this process can include: phosphoric, citric, sulfuric or hydrochloric acids, EDTA, bleaching earth/bentonite, phospholipase enzymes, caustic soda and silica, plus high temperatures up to 240C. Did you watch the video? Chemical refining is the traditional method used since ancient times. It can be used for all fats and oils. Each step of the refining process has specific functions for removing some undesirable compounds. Chemical refining follows the six-step process outlined at the link (degumming, neutralization, washing and drying, bleaching, dewaxing, and deodorizing). The process also removes the important bioactive molecules in oil such as tocopherols and polyphenols (which can act as antioxidants), squalene and sterols.
    - gruez 3y ago
      >>What makes it "chemical"? Does the refinement process chemically alter the molecular structure of the lipid molecules? >Did you watch the video? So your definition of "chemical" hinges on what happens in a youtube video? I doubt that's the case. What specific steps makes it "chemical"? Am I correct in assuming your criteria is "involves steps that uses scary sounding chemicals"?

TheSpiceIsLife 3y ago

Olive oil isn’t a whole food. Neither is butter, ghee, nor lard. If you extract and concentrate some fraction of a food and eat it disproportionately to what is present in the whole product, you are by definition consuming a not-whole thing.

hombre_fatal 3y ago

You can cold press canola oil. It's one of the best oils to consume rivaling olive oil. Though this is a good example of why the heuristic is nonsense. When we replace saturated fats like your "whole foods list" with pufas like canola oil and your "refined list", we see human health outcomes improve. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4744652/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4744652/