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Well, they fight tooth-and-nail to keep crims and fascists online, but they pre-emptively kick sex workers. What does that tell you?

nilespotter 3y ago
Literally why I use them.
- loup-vaillant 3y ago
  Excuse me, come again?
  - cmcaleer 3y ago
    It seems common sense to prefer providers who are reasonably agnostic to who they provide services to. I would not use a water company that refuses to provide water to political enemies, because what if one day you become distasteful to them and they turn your water off without warning? Nor would I use a service where if someone accuses me without evidence of something distasteful, the company’s response is to immediately suspend services to you before they fully understand the story (e.g. the recent Amazon smart home “racist” incident where nothing racist actually took place but a man lost access to all his devices and locks). I want services provided by full-time service providers, not service providers who moonlight as moral arbiters.
  - nilespotter 3y ago
    I use cloudflare because they stand up to the screeching mob and defend free speech. I moved all of my domains there from namecheap when namecheap took a particularly deplorable and irritatingly loud position with respect to Ukraine. Free speech includes fascists, crims whatever that is, and whoever else you may or may not find detestable. I'd like them better if they still hosted The Daily Stormer, but I can't think of any other giant company taking consistent stands against the hegemony of the radical left. And in case you consider my opinion a no-no as your response indicates to me, allow me to dig in a little deeper. I don't mind people I disagree with as long as they are mostly respectful in their disagreement. I don't think fascists or nazis or the KKK or whatever other boogeyman you can come up with make a very good case for their beliefs and they pose no real danger. I welcome their free speech as an important component of diverse opinion and expression in the public square. And I don't judge them wholesale for holding opinions I disagree with either.
    - lisasays 3y ago
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    - loup-vaillant 3y ago
      > I use cloudflare because they stand up to the screeching mob and defend free speech. Ah, your previous short quip made you look like you were agreeing not only with the part where they keep "crims and fascists" online, but also the part where they kick sex workers out — assuming they actually do, but since you neither denounced, denied, or even questioned it, it looked like you agreed with both the facts and morals of it. You’d understand that this didn’t exactly makes you look like a neutral free speech defender. > the hegemony of the radical left. It’s hardly radical if it doesn’t question capitalism, and last time I checked anti-capitalism was far from hegemonic. I’m not sure what you actually mean by "radical left", but I’m guessing they tend to think more about systems than individuals, which may be alien enough to look radical from the other side. > I don't think fascists or nazis or the KKK or whatever other boogeyman you can come up with make a very good case for their beliefs and they pose no real danger. They don’t have to make a good case unfortunately. Like abusive cults, they can instead enrol vulnerable or disenfranchised people, ease them in, and eventually cut them off their previous entourage, to the point where you can no longer reason with them. That, and the pipeline of influencers that makes the next small step down the far right path look quite okay, with no clear limit between a couple harmless edgy jokes and full blown literal Nazism (The Boys illustrates that radicalisation process fairly well).
orangepurple 3y ago
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robertlagrant 3y ago
It doesn't tell me that they're catering for fascists.

nilespotter 3y ago

Literally why I use them.

loup-vaillant 3y ago
Excuse me, come again?
- cmcaleer 3y ago
  It seems common sense to prefer providers who are reasonably agnostic to who they provide services to. I would not use a water company that refuses to provide water to political enemies, because what if one day you become distasteful to them and they turn your water off without warning? Nor would I use a service where if someone accuses me without evidence of something distasteful, the company’s response is to immediately suspend services to you before they fully understand the story (e.g. the recent Amazon smart home “racist” incident where nothing racist actually took place but a man lost access to all his devices and locks). I want services provided by full-time service providers, not service providers who moonlight as moral arbiters.
- nilespotter 3y ago
  I use cloudflare because they stand up to the screeching mob and defend free speech. I moved all of my domains there from namecheap when namecheap took a particularly deplorable and irritatingly loud position with respect to Ukraine. Free speech includes fascists, crims whatever that is, and whoever else you may or may not find detestable. I'd like them better if they still hosted The Daily Stormer, but I can't think of any other giant company taking consistent stands against the hegemony of the radical left. And in case you consider my opinion a no-no as your response indicates to me, allow me to dig in a little deeper. I don't mind people I disagree with as long as they are mostly respectful in their disagreement. I don't think fascists or nazis or the KKK or whatever other boogeyman you can come up with make a very good case for their beliefs and they pose no real danger. I welcome their free speech as an important component of diverse opinion and expression in the public square. And I don't judge them wholesale for holding opinions I disagree with either.
  - lisasays 3y ago
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  - loup-vaillant 3y ago
    > I use cloudflare because they stand up to the screeching mob and defend free speech. Ah, your previous short quip made you look like you were agreeing not only with the part where they keep "crims and fascists" online, but also the part where they kick sex workers out — assuming they actually do, but since you neither denounced, denied, or even questioned it, it looked like you agreed with both the facts and morals of it. You’d understand that this didn’t exactly makes you look like a neutral free speech defender. > the hegemony of the radical left. It’s hardly radical if it doesn’t question capitalism, and last time I checked anti-capitalism was far from hegemonic. I’m not sure what you actually mean by "radical left", but I’m guessing they tend to think more about systems than individuals, which may be alien enough to look radical from the other side. > I don't think fascists or nazis or the KKK or whatever other boogeyman you can come up with make a very good case for their beliefs and they pose no real danger. They don’t have to make a good case unfortunately. Like abusive cults, they can instead enrol vulnerable or disenfranchised people, ease them in, and eventually cut them off their previous entourage, to the point where you can no longer reason with them. That, and the pipeline of influencers that makes the next small step down the far right path look quite okay, with no clear limit between a couple harmless edgy jokes and full blown literal Nazism (The Boys illustrates that radicalisation process fairly well).

orangepurple 3y ago

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robertlagrant 3y ago

It doesn't tell me that they're catering for fascists.