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Any food that is disproportionately represented in our post hunter-gatherer diet, especially processed food, must have an element of "bad for you" in it. Eat w

by ra 3y ago

Any food that is disproportionately represented in our post hunter-gatherer diet, especially processed food, must have an element of "bad for you" in it. Eat whole foods and maintain a level of exercise and don't sweat the small stuff.

morelisp 3y ago
Any medicine that is disproportionately represented in our post hunter-gatherer treatment plans, especially synthesized chemicals, must have an element of "bad for you" in it. Drink clean water and boil willow bark and don't sweat the small stuff.
- darkerside 3y ago
  Well, yeah. There's a reason these drugs all have side effects, and that the first principle of medicine is, Do No Harm. We have a long history of interventions leading to worse outcomes. It's just sometimes those bad outcomes are worth it by evading worse outcomes.
- TheSpiceIsLife 3y ago
  Why should the general population increase their intact of salicin via Willow Bark? What kind of advice is that?
  - gruez 3y ago
    I think he's satirizing the parent poster, by copying his logic and saying that we should eat willow bark rather than taking aspirin pills.
hombre_fatal 3y ago
That doesn't make sense since we ate anything we could find and evolution only selected for procreation, not for long term health. The very things we ate for most of our history could very well be bad for us long term, like increase our cardiovascular disease risk. I don't see why I would accept appeals to nature in favor of the balance of our best evidence.
- pengaru 3y ago
  Not if you consider parents tend to care for their descendants -> healthier parents long-term will have more successful descendants, probabilistically speaking. ex: unfit parents won't be doing a great job of keeping their children and/or grandchildren out of the mouths of hyenas. Note we're talking evolutionary time scales here, this is hunter-gatherers in loin cloths on the savanna territory.
  - atkailash 3y ago
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- valval 3y ago
  Get kids and die, perfect way to procreate.
hammock 3y ago
>Eat whole foods Vegetable oil/soybean oil/canola oil/other refined oils is not a whole food. Unrefined olive oil, butter/ghee, lard etc is.
- ta988 3y ago
  ghee is refined butter and you could argue butter is refined cream. Those definitions are all fuzzy and context-dependant.
  - hammock 3y ago
    “Refined oil” has a specific documented definition, and to be clear I’m talking about chemical refinement. See here: https://youtu.be/Cfk2IXlZdbI https://youtu.be/Cfk2IXlZdbI The distinction you are making is irrelevant and trollsome
    - gruez 3y ago
      > “Refined oil” has a specific documented definition Care to link it? > and to be clear I’m talking about chemical refinement. See here: https://youtu.be/Cfk2IXlZdbI https://youtu.be/Cfk2IXlZdbI What makes it "chemical"? Does the refinement process chemically alter the molecular structure of the lipid molecules?
      - hammock 3y ago
        >Care to link it? Edible oil refining is a set of processes or treatments necessary to turn vegetable raw oil into edible oil. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edible_oil_refining https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edible_oil_refining >What makes it "chemical"? Does the refinement process chemically alter the molecular structure of the lipid molecules? The process uses chemicals as opposed to physical interventions, which is why it is called chemical refinement. Chemicals used in this process can include: phosphoric, citric, sulfuric or hydrochloric acids, EDTA, bleaching earth/bentonite, phospholipase enzymes, caustic soda and silica, plus high temperatures up to 240C. Did you watch the video? Chemical refining is the traditional method used since ancient times. It can be used for all fats and oils. Each step of the refining process has specific functions for removing some undesirable compounds. Chemical refining follows the six-step process outlined at the link (degumming, neutralization, washing and drying, bleaching, dewaxing, and deodorizing). The process also removes the important bioactive molecules in oil such as tocopherols and polyphenols (which can act as antioxidants), squalene and sterols.

by ra 3y ago

morelisp 3y ago

Any medicine that is disproportionately represented in our post hunter-gatherer treatment plans, especially synthesized chemicals, must have an element of "bad for you" in it. Drink clean water and boil willow bark and don't sweat the small stuff.

darkerside 3y ago
Well, yeah. There's a reason these drugs all have side effects, and that the first principle of medicine is, Do No Harm. We have a long history of interventions leading to worse outcomes. It's just sometimes those bad outcomes are worth it by evading worse outcomes.
TheSpiceIsLife 3y ago
Why should the general population increase their intact of salicin via Willow Bark? What kind of advice is that?
- gruez 3y ago
  I think he's satirizing the parent poster, by copying his logic and saying that we should eat willow bark rather than taking aspirin pills.

hombre_fatal 3y ago

That doesn't make sense since we ate anything we could find and evolution only selected for procreation, not for long term health. The very things we ate for most of our history could very well be bad for us long term, like increase our cardiovascular disease risk. I don't see why I would accept appeals to nature in favor of the balance of our best evidence.

pengaru 3y ago
Not if you consider parents tend to care for their descendants -> healthier parents long-term will have more successful descendants, probabilistically speaking. ex: unfit parents won't be doing a great job of keeping their children and/or grandchildren out of the mouths of hyenas. Note we're talking evolutionary time scales here, this is hunter-gatherers in loin cloths on the savanna territory.
- atkailash 3y ago
  [dead]
valval 3y ago
Get kids and die, perfect way to procreate.

hammock 3y ago

>Eat whole foods Vegetable oil/soybean oil/canola oil/other refined oils is not a whole food. Unrefined olive oil, butter/ghee, lard etc is.

ta988 3y ago
ghee is refined butter and you could argue butter is refined cream. Those definitions are all fuzzy and context-dependant.
- hammock 3y ago
  “Refined oil” has a specific documented definition, and to be clear I’m talking about chemical refinement. See here: https://youtu.be/Cfk2IXlZdbI https://youtu.be/Cfk2IXlZdbI The distinction you are making is irrelevant and trollsome
  - gruez 3y ago
    > “Refined oil” has a specific documented definition Care to link it? > and to be clear I’m talking about chemical refinement. See here: https://youtu.be/Cfk2IXlZdbI https://youtu.be/Cfk2IXlZdbI What makes it "chemical"? Does the refinement process chemically alter the molecular structure of the lipid molecules?
    - hammock 3y ago
      >Care to link it? Edible oil refining is a set of processes or treatments necessary to turn vegetable raw oil into edible oil. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edible_oil_refining https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edible_oil_refining >What makes it "chemical"? Does the refinement process chemically alter the molecular structure of the lipid molecules? The process uses chemicals as opposed to physical interventions, which is why it is called chemical refinement. Chemicals used in this process can include: phosphoric, citric, sulfuric or hydrochloric acids, EDTA, bleaching earth/bentonite, phospholipase enzymes, caustic soda and silica, plus high temperatures up to 240C. Did you watch the video? Chemical refining is the traditional method used since ancient times. It can be used for all fats and oils. Each step of the refining process has specific functions for removing some undesirable compounds. Chemical refining follows the six-step process outlined at the link (degumming, neutralization, washing and drying, bleaching, dewaxing, and deodorizing). The process also removes the important bioactive molecules in oil such as tocopherols and polyphenols (which can act as antioxidants), squalene and sterols.