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> These vehicles are relatively more expensive. Yeah, until this gets fixed, I'm not buying an EV. I ran the numbers and after 10 years of ownership and almost

> These vehicles are relatively more expensive. Yeah, until this gets fixed, I'm not buying an EV. I ran the numbers and after 10 years of ownership and almost 200k miles, the cost of a brand-new ICE car + 10 years of gasoline + maintenance is still less than the cost of a Model 3. To be fair there are cheaper EVs than Teslas, but then you start looking at losing out seriously on things like range...and they're still more expensive than just buying another ICE car, just not as much more expensive. Plus, like many people, I live in a rural area and don't have a garage. Not sure what I'd do about home charging, and I don't want to think about it, to be honest. Going to be some $$$ involved, no doubt.

frumper 3y ago
> To be fair there are cheaper EVs than Teslas There are also ICE cars more expensive than your unnamed brand-new ICE car. It's fair to say EVs aren't for everyone, but the average price of a new car is around where you can get a Model 3 or Y.
com2kid 3y ago
> Yeah, until this gets fixed, I'm not buying an EV. I ran the numbers and after 10 years of ownership and almost 200k miles, the cost of a brand-new ICE car + 10 years of gasoline + maintenance is still less than the cost of a Model 3. My math is even worse, in 5 years I have driven maybe 30k, but I am also constantly annoyed that my 1.6L subcompact gas car gets less than 20 MPG driving up and down Seattle's hills at 20 MPH. A city electric car would be nice, but our road infrastructure just isn't built for them.
- simfree 3y ago
  Fiat 500e's can be had for just a few grand in Seattle, ditto for older Nissan Leafs. There are a few Seattle Fiat 500e owners who are doing 20k to 30k miles a year, which makes for a very low cost per mile compared to a gas subcompact car
  - com2kid 3y ago
    I drove a regular Fiat 500 once. Terrible car, only time I've felt scared driving, and not due to the size of the car, but rather just the horrible build quality. It felt on par with the Geo Metro I learned to drive in. I currently own 2 sub compacts, both of which are just barely big enough to fit a stroller + 1 bag of groceries, which feels about as small as I'd want to go for a city car, although part of me wonders how much of that is due to the size of the strollers sold in America! I feel my car is both way too big and also too small at times. TBF a large % of my commute is taking the entire family around, or going to fetch large batches of things from stores, so I don't feel too bad, other than the entire using gas and getting 20MPG part aspect of it all.
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db48x 3y ago
Why does a garage matter? You don’t need a garage to charge a car.
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Rebelgecko 3y ago
Just curious, which ICE car? Unless you're looking at some of the cheapest cars available and also ineligible for the tax credit, I'm surprised the M3 wasn't competitive.

frumper 3y ago

> To be fair there are cheaper EVs than Teslas There are also ICE cars more expensive than your unnamed brand-new ICE car. It's fair to say EVs aren't for everyone, but the average price of a new car is around where you can get a Model 3 or Y.

com2kid 3y ago

> Yeah, until this gets fixed, I'm not buying an EV. I ran the numbers and after 10 years of ownership and almost 200k miles, the cost of a brand-new ICE car + 10 years of gasoline + maintenance is still less than the cost of a Model 3. My math is even worse, in 5 years I have driven maybe 30k, but I am also constantly annoyed that my 1.6L subcompact gas car gets less than 20 MPG driving up and down Seattle's hills at 20 MPH. A city electric car would be nice, but our road infrastructure just isn't built for them.

simfree 3y ago
Fiat 500e's can be had for just a few grand in Seattle, ditto for older Nissan Leafs. There are a few Seattle Fiat 500e owners who are doing 20k to 30k miles a year, which makes for a very low cost per mile compared to a gas subcompact car
- com2kid 3y ago
  I drove a regular Fiat 500 once. Terrible car, only time I've felt scared driving, and not due to the size of the car, but rather just the horrible build quality. It felt on par with the Geo Metro I learned to drive in. I currently own 2 sub compacts, both of which are just barely big enough to fit a stroller + 1 bag of groceries, which feels about as small as I'd want to go for a city car, although part of me wonders how much of that is due to the size of the strollers sold in America! I feel my car is both way too big and also too small at times. TBF a large % of my commute is taking the entire family around, or going to fetch large batches of things from stores, so I don't feel too bad, other than the entire using gas and getting 20MPG part aspect of it all.

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db48x 3y ago

Why does a garage matter? You don’t need a garage to charge a car.

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Rebelgecko 3y ago

Just curious, which ICE car? Unless you're looking at some of the cheapest cars available and also ineligible for the tax credit, I'm surprised the M3 wasn't competitive.