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Very Bad headline, given this is the second paragraph: > The latest reports from Cox Automotive indicate that car buyers are much more interested in EVs now th

Very Bad headline, given this is the second paragraph: > The latest reports from Cox Automotive indicate that car buyers are much more interested in EVs now than in the past: 51 percent of buyers who participated in a recent Cox survey are considering buying a new or used EV, which is up from 38 percent in 2021. And Cox says that EV sales will break the 1 million mark for the first time in 2023, with sales reportedly accounting for about 6.5 percent of the entire auto market in the U.S. so far.

somerandomqaguy 3y ago
Eh, it's Jalopnik, they do a lot of misleading headlines. And at least with the Mach E; anecdotally they're kind of correct in that there's a bunch of Mach E's sitting on the lot. Thing that they're either fully optioned Premium variants or GT variants, so you're talking $82,000 to $90,000 Canadian dollars even before you starting thinking about taxes and other costs. The $55,000 to $70,000 price ranged EV's seem to be selling well enough for the time being.
- dangus 3y ago
  That was my take about this article: bad EV deals are what are sitting on car lots. EVs are just barely mature enough to have mass appeal, and the worst models don’t have almost any appeal if you ask me. If you have $80-90k you should be buying a BMW iX, not a Ford Mach-E or a Genesis G80. The BZ4X is also not competitive especially without available tax credits. You can snag yourself a Model Y long range for less money. Audi e-tron models have weak range BMW or Mercedes EQ* instead. Volvo C40 should be avoided until the new rear wheel drive revision comes out. The Hummer EV is a completely insane show car and limited run tech demo. The list of “obsolete” EVs goes on and on.
  - quantified 3y ago
    Some of really want the Hummer EV, just don't have the $$$ to splash for it. Knock an order of magnitude off the price...
- WeylandYutani 3y ago
  I follow a radio program about cars. It's funny how the presenters until a few years ago called themselves "petrol heads" and hated EV like everyone did back then. Now that there's an end date for ICE and more and more investment is redirected to EV they have changed their tune. You do not bite the hand that feeds.
  - ChainOfFools 3y ago
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- ChainOfFools 3y ago
  The anecdote about the mach-e makes sense given that the current wave of EV buyer (especially those not looking for a status nameplate) is still going to be, I assume, largely dominated by people whose motivation to consider electric is chiefly practicality, where the trade-off between the downsides of an ice vehile and the downsides of an EV favors the EV over the next 5 or 10 year horizon. They are not the sort of people who are attracted to ev's because they have a bunch of fruity pebble novelties, and scoff at the idea of paying an extra $4000 for 1 inch bigger wheel rims and 4 extra tinny speakers mounted in the kick panels. those buyers are still firmly the customer group that car salesmen derisively call the "grapes" because they're easily squeezed for maximum commission and profit, that are not going to appreciate the advantages (or deal with the changes of habit) that come with an EV so for the extra money they'd rather buy a bunch of luxury trim on a traditional ICE package.
jseliger 3y ago
The Ford and other EVs listed cost around the same as similar Teslas. The Teslas use the Supercharger system, which is far and away the best charging system in the U.S. right now. Moreover, Ford and GM are moving to Tesla plugs in a year or two, meaning the Tesla ("NACS") system is going to wind up being the standard. So why would someone pay around the same amount for a Ford electric Mustang or whatever with a legacy CCS charging system as they would for a Model Y, when the Model Y has the right charging standard, and, in addition, one doesn't even have to deal with a hostile car dealer? Can anyone—anyone—solve this perplexing set of facts? I'm sure there are some people who want an electric car but don't like Tesla, but for most people the Supercharger network and future-proofing are huge advantages.
- function_seven 3y ago
  Sure. Adapters exist and, as much as they're annoying, they're not deal breakers. And a lot of people trust Ford to get the fit-and-finish right. Also, the EVs coming from "legacy" automakers all pretty much look better than the bland eggs Tesla makes. (IMO the Model S is the only decent looking Tesla. All the other ones are about as exciting than low-fat mayonnaise) As far as car dealers go, they vary. And again, it's a one time hassle that many would put up with to get the car they want.
- JohnFen 3y ago
  > Can anyone—anyone—solve this perplexing set of facts? Of the various EVs I've actually driven, I've found Teslas to be the least satisfying and enjoyable. So I wouldn't buy a Tesla for that reason alone.
  - ikekkdcjkfke 3y ago
    What was unenjoyable? And which EV was most enjoyable?
gottorf 3y ago
They should have skipped the first point and gone straight to the second. Few things are as useless as surveys that show consumers "considering" something! Consideration is cheap; a $64k[0] purchase is meaningful. [0]: https://www.findmyelectric.com/blog/electric-car-prices/ https://www.findmyelectric.com/blog/electric-car-prices/
dang 3y ago
Ok, we've replaced the bad headline with the presumably less bad subheadline.

somerandomqaguy 3y ago

Eh, it's Jalopnik, they do a lot of misleading headlines. And at least with the Mach E; anecdotally they're kind of correct in that there's a bunch of Mach E's sitting on the lot. Thing that they're either fully optioned Premium variants or GT variants, so you're talking $82,000 to $90,000 Canadian dollars even before you starting thinking about taxes and other costs. The $55,000 to $70,000 price ranged EV's seem to be selling well enough for the time being.

dangus 3y ago
That was my take about this article: bad EV deals are what are sitting on car lots. EVs are just barely mature enough to have mass appeal, and the worst models don’t have almost any appeal if you ask me. If you have $80-90k you should be buying a BMW iX, not a Ford Mach-E or a Genesis G80. The BZ4X is also not competitive especially without available tax credits. You can snag yourself a Model Y long range for less money. Audi e-tron models have weak range BMW or Mercedes EQ* instead. Volvo C40 should be avoided until the new rear wheel drive revision comes out. The Hummer EV is a completely insane show car and limited run tech demo. The list of “obsolete” EVs goes on and on.
- quantified 3y ago
  Some of really want the Hummer EV, just don't have the $$$ to splash for it. Knock an order of magnitude off the price...
WeylandYutani 3y ago
I follow a radio program about cars. It's funny how the presenters until a few years ago called themselves "petrol heads" and hated EV like everyone did back then. Now that there's an end date for ICE and more and more investment is redirected to EV they have changed their tune. You do not bite the hand that feeds.
- ChainOfFools 3y ago
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ChainOfFools 3y ago
The anecdote about the mach-e makes sense given that the current wave of EV buyer (especially those not looking for a status nameplate) is still going to be, I assume, largely dominated by people whose motivation to consider electric is chiefly practicality, where the trade-off between the downsides of an ice vehile and the downsides of an EV favors the EV over the next 5 or 10 year horizon. They are not the sort of people who are attracted to ev's because they have a bunch of fruity pebble novelties, and scoff at the idea of paying an extra $4000 for 1 inch bigger wheel rims and 4 extra tinny speakers mounted in the kick panels. those buyers are still firmly the customer group that car salesmen derisively call the "grapes" because they're easily squeezed for maximum commission and profit, that are not going to appreciate the advantages (or deal with the changes of habit) that come with an EV so for the extra money they'd rather buy a bunch of luxury trim on a traditional ICE package.

jseliger 3y ago

The Ford and other EVs listed cost around the same as similar Teslas. The Teslas use the Supercharger system, which is far and away the best charging system in the U.S. right now. Moreover, Ford and GM are moving to Tesla plugs in a year or two, meaning the Tesla ("NACS") system is going to wind up being the standard. So why would someone pay around the same amount for a Ford electric Mustang or whatever with a legacy CCS charging system as they would for a Model Y, when the Model Y has the right charging standard, and, in addition, one doesn't even have to deal with a hostile car dealer? Can anyone—anyone—solve this perplexing set of facts? I'm sure there are some people who want an electric car but don't like Tesla, but for most people the Supercharger network and future-proofing are huge advantages.

function_seven 3y ago
Sure. Adapters exist and, as much as they're annoying, they're not deal breakers. And a lot of people trust Ford to get the fit-and-finish right. Also, the EVs coming from "legacy" automakers all pretty much look better than the bland eggs Tesla makes. (IMO the Model S is the only decent looking Tesla. All the other ones are about as exciting than low-fat mayonnaise) As far as car dealers go, they vary. And again, it's a one time hassle that many would put up with to get the car they want.
JohnFen 3y ago
> Can anyone—anyone—solve this perplexing set of facts? Of the various EVs I've actually driven, I've found Teslas to be the least satisfying and enjoyable. So I wouldn't buy a Tesla for that reason alone.
- ikekkdcjkfke 3y ago
  What was unenjoyable? And which EV was most enjoyable?

gottorf 3y ago

They should have skipped the first point and gone straight to the second. Few things are as useless as surveys that show consumers "considering" something! Consideration is cheap; a $64k[0] purchase is meaningful. [0]: https://www.findmyelectric.com/blog/electric-car-prices/ https://www.findmyelectric.com/blog/electric-car-prices/

dang 3y ago

Ok, we've replaced the bad headline with the presumably less bad subheadline.