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The problem is why would I want to but an EV that's not a tesla? what would i buy a FORD?

Tagbert 3y ago
One valid reason is that it is not a Tesla. Not everyone wants the same thing.
edmundsauto 3y ago
Repair time, dealer network, fit and finish, not trusting Tesla or wanting to support Musk. Additionally, the ford lightning can be used as a home battery which afaik isn’t on the Tesla roadmap.
- igrekel 3y ago
  In my experience over the last fours years, 1 and three are a thing of the past. I'd even say that the second is less of a problem as they added many service centers closeby. But I am not in the US. The two last ones are an increasing annoyance.
  - edmundsauto 3y ago
    The latest consumer reports suggests average level of repair ability in the 2023 Tesla line (https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/tesla/model-3/2022/reliability/ https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/tesla/model-3/2022/reli...), not as bad as in the past. However, I believe the company will reduce slack in the system in unhealthy ways as fits their corporate goals. More than other mfg. In this case, moving slowly is an advantage. I just trust Ford to be able to support 100 millions cars on the road more than Tesla. But thanks for checking my priors - I was still assuming it was 3+ month delivery time for eg bodywork. The home battery, however, is really important to me. Buy a ford lightning and you get something like 8 powerwalls, with a truck for free.
atombender 3y ago
Tesla is highly overrated, in my opinion. While they should be commended for being a pioneer, other brands have already eclipsed them. Personally, I vastly prefer the VW ID.3 (and the slightly larger ID.4). It doesn't have the sleek looks, of course, but in terms of feel, comfort, features, and so on, it's a much nicer car. It's probably a better car than a Tesla for most people. The U.S. market is struggling to offer enough lower-budget electric cars. Not every car needs to be a sleek $80k Tesla. In Europe, electric cars have now become normalized thanks to models covering the entire range of affordability. Plenty of "normal working people budget" cars — Renault Zoe, Opel Corsa-e, Skoda Enyaq, and so on, all great cars. The U.S. has the Bolt, Leaf, Niro, and then the cars quickly become expensive after that. (The Niro is a terrific car, though!)
- frumper 3y ago
  >Not every car needs to be a sleek $80k Tesla. Tesla would agree with you, that's why the Model 3 starts at 40k and in the US is eligible for a $7500 credit. Bonus points if you're in a state like California where you can get additional credits.
  - beanjuiceII 3y ago
    or where I am and got one for 27k
jfim 3y ago
There are people who value having a wiper stalk, a button to defog the windshield, and an instrument cluster when driving.
- dzhiurgis 3y ago
  Some even make it their personality trait
Rebelgecko 3y ago
Maybe you want a truck in 2023? Or something with V2L that can power your house for a week?

One valid reason is that it is not a Tesla. Not everyone wants the same thing.

Repair time, dealer network, fit and finish, not trusting Tesla or wanting to support Musk. Additionally, the ford lightning can be used as a home battery which afaik isn’t on the Tesla roadmap.

igrekel 3y ago
In my experience over the last fours years, 1 and three are a thing of the past. I'd even say that the second is less of a problem as they added many service centers closeby. But I am not in the US. The two last ones are an increasing annoyance.
- edmundsauto 3y ago
  The latest consumer reports suggests average level of repair ability in the 2023 Tesla line (https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/tesla/model-3/2022/reliability/ https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/tesla/model-3/2022/reli...), not as bad as in the past. However, I believe the company will reduce slack in the system in unhealthy ways as fits their corporate goals. More than other mfg. In this case, moving slowly is an advantage. I just trust Ford to be able to support 100 millions cars on the road more than Tesla. But thanks for checking my priors - I was still assuming it was 3+ month delivery time for eg bodywork. The home battery, however, is really important to me. Buy a ford lightning and you get something like 8 powerwalls, with a truck for free.

atombender 3y ago

Tesla is highly overrated, in my opinion. While they should be commended for being a pioneer, other brands have already eclipsed them. Personally, I vastly prefer the VW ID.3 (and the slightly larger ID.4). It doesn't have the sleek looks, of course, but in terms of feel, comfort, features, and so on, it's a much nicer car. It's probably a better car than a Tesla for most people. The U.S. market is struggling to offer enough lower-budget electric cars. Not every car needs to be a sleek $80k Tesla. In Europe, electric cars have now become normalized thanks to models covering the entire range of affordability. Plenty of "normal working people budget" cars — Renault Zoe, Opel Corsa-e, Skoda Enyaq, and so on, all great cars. The U.S. has the Bolt, Leaf, Niro, and then the cars quickly become expensive after that. (The Niro is a terrific car, though!)

frumper 3y ago
>Not every car needs to be a sleek $80k Tesla. Tesla would agree with you, that's why the Model 3 starts at 40k and in the US is eligible for a $7500 credit. Bonus points if you're in a state like California where you can get additional credits.
- beanjuiceII 3y ago
  or where I am and got one for 27k

jfim 3y ago

There are people who value having a wiper stalk, a button to defog the windshield, and an instrument cluster when driving.

dzhiurgis 3y ago
Some even make it their personality trait

Rebelgecko 3y ago

Maybe you want a truck in 2023? Or something with V2L that can power your house for a week?