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Properly atheism replies that we observe a multitude of things which according to our best understanding don't require supernatural intervention to come into be
by michaelmrose 3y ago
Properly atheism replies that we observe a multitude of things which according to our best understanding don't require supernatural intervention to come into being and literally thousands of examples of prospective gods which are all complete bullshit.
The fact that the concept is probably without merit is a probabilistic statement like most of the "facts" you know. There are no tigers in my house and there is no creator of the universe.
I'm an atheist not because I have absolute proof of a negative but because surety crossed a threshold from probably not to definitely not because that is how human beings work. Most statements that you "know" work exactly the same.
There is nothing in the natural world that has a creator in the sense that you mean. A star, a slime mold and you are a natural consequence of the configuration of matter that preceded the existence of matter we are labeling our sun, that ugly stain on the wall, and you. There is no reason to believe that your mom has conscious control over individual cells that became you for instance any more than the lose clump of dust consciously created the sun.
As we move to the moment where the inception of our universe this of course breaks down not because we need to paper over our lack of understanding with a symbol we invented but because as you noted reality has no need to conform to our intuition or ability to understand.
- xyzelement 3y agoThank you for responding. This is very crisp and well written -- it makes it very clear to see where we disagree. Which is of course totally fine and an age-old debate. But it gives me a chance to state my view in a crisp way as well as a reaction: // There is nothing in the natural world that has a creator in the sense that you mean... I believe you're expressing a faith here. As you and I both agreed "reality has no need to conform to our intuition or ability to understand" - the implications of this is that on questions like "where did the laws of physics come from" we have no hope of observation / understanding that can lead to an answer. Perhaps the only honest answer would be "as a human being, I am too limited to engage with this topic at all." But both religious people and atheists make a stronger assertion than that. An atheist says "I can never understand this, but I believe it came about randomly." A religious person says "I can never understand this, but I believe it came about purposefully." They are both equally (un)justified in their belief, but one or the other resonates with them deeply enough to operate as a matter of faith.