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From Outside of this weird polarization/persecution fetish bubble a lot of Americans seem to be in, the nytimes seems to be doing a decent job trying to be cent

From Outside of this weird polarization/persecution fetish bubble a lot of Americans seem to be in, the nytimes seems to be doing a decent job trying to be centrist with a left tinge. If it looks too leftist, consider for a moment that you might be the one who’s starting to fall too far off on the right end. I think the pandemic played a big number on entitled people suddenly being asked to do things out of their choice and obey rules everyone else is subjected to, and polarize them against socialist ideals than before.

gjsman-1000 3y ago
> consider for a moment that you might be the one who’s starting to fall too far off on the right end Putting off the New York Times specifically for a moment, this is a "no true scotsman" fallacy. Example: "The New York Times is not that left-wing, and all centrists realize this." "Many centrists think they are getting more left-wing." "No true centrist would think that, therefore, they aren't centrists."
- asfgisroshnio 3y ago
  "Beef is not vegan, and all vegans realize this." "Many vegans think it is vegan." "No true vegan would think that, therefore, they aren't vegans." No True Scotsman is about a particular form of reasoning, not any sentence that includes the word "true". It's a form of ad-hoc rationalization where someone rejects counterexamples out of hand. ramraj07 wasn't really making a generalization, and the rejection of the "counterexample" was neither ad-hoc nor unjustified. Many people outside the U.S. have always viewed the American "left" as right-wing, and this is justified because American politics actually are right-wing compared to much of the world.
- ramraj07 3y ago
  It’s not exactly rocket science to substantiate my position. Nyt regularly publishes opinion pieces from quite right wing people. Their editorial stance also often call out clearly problematic extreme left views (like Lea Thomas controversy).

gjsman-1000 3y ago

> consider for a moment that you might be the one who’s starting to fall too far off on the right end Putting off the New York Times specifically for a moment, this is a "no true scotsman" fallacy. Example: "The New York Times is not that left-wing, and all centrists realize this." "Many centrists think they are getting more left-wing." "No true centrist would think that, therefore, they aren't centrists."

asfgisroshnio 3y ago
"Beef is not vegan, and all vegans realize this." "Many vegans think it is vegan." "No true vegan would think that, therefore, they aren't vegans." No True Scotsman is about a particular form of reasoning, not any sentence that includes the word "true". It's a form of ad-hoc rationalization where someone rejects counterexamples out of hand. ramraj07 wasn't really making a generalization, and the rejection of the "counterexample" was neither ad-hoc nor unjustified. Many people outside the U.S. have always viewed the American "left" as right-wing, and this is justified because American politics actually are right-wing compared to much of the world.
ramraj07 3y ago
It’s not exactly rocket science to substantiate my position. Nyt regularly publishes opinion pieces from quite right wing people. Their editorial stance also often call out clearly problematic extreme left views (like Lea Thomas controversy).