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I'm not sure I would describe either PHP or Java as for "hard core" programmers. As far as I am concerned PHP is used by self-taught teenagers in the early 00'

I'm not sure I would describe either PHP or Java as for "hard core" programmers. As far as I am concerned PHP is used by self-taught teenagers in the early 00's, while Java is as you mention popular in "enterprise". "Enterprise" you should probably be aware is generally not considered to be praise.

codenerdz 15y ago
.."Enterprise" you should probably be aware is generally not considered to be praise... Why? I can name a lot of products which I use daily which are developed in an "enterprise" fashion