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Why do you think it accomplishes nothing? Benefits just from communication perspective are enough to consider single timezone. > You still would have to figure

Why do you think it accomplishes nothing? Benefits just from communication perspective are enough to consider single timezone. > You still would have to figure out when people in SF wake up! Exactly! It is argument against multiple TZs not for it.

justrealist 3y ago
Think about this harder! Let's say everyone in the US was on "Eastern Standard Time". You're scheduling a meeting for eastern standard time. You still have to figure out when your San Francisco coworkers wake up, in Eastern Time! Except without timezones, you just have to remember that SF is 3-ish hours off so people wake up at 11am. If you just had timezones, you wouldn't have to keep this in your head!
- Sankozi 3y ago
  I don't understand what is your point. With single TZ: - I need to learn when people at different location work. With multiple, perfect TZs: - I still need to learn when people at different location work, and additionally I need to translate (or add TZ to) every clock time when communicating with those people. Learning when people work is similar amount of work in both cases. You always have to keep at least time offsets for every city or even office. If you have multiple TZs you need to keep them and their offsets in your head.
  - justrealist 3y ago
    > With multiple, perfect TZs: - I still need to learn when people at different location work That's not true — I can roughly assume that everyone is at work by 9am their time. I just need to know their timezone. If I didn't have a timezone, I'd have to memorize the approximate offset of every city in the US.
    - Sankozi 3y ago
      So instead knowing city -> offset mapping, you need to know both city -> TZ and TZ -> offset mapping, and end up with something worse (because TZ will never be perfect, so offset from TZ is usually worse than "human" offset based on the location). I really see no benefit.
msla 3y ago
https://qntm.org/abolish https://qntm.org/abolish TL;DR: People won't wake up at local midnight because the clock says 07:00. People won't wake up at local sunrise no matter what the clock says. People will wake up when the people they coordinate with wake up. If they can't change their clocks to reflect that, the hours they keep will be very unpredictable to outsiders.

justrealist 3y ago

Think about this harder! Let's say everyone in the US was on "Eastern Standard Time". You're scheduling a meeting for eastern standard time. You still have to figure out when your San Francisco coworkers wake up, in Eastern Time! Except without timezones, you just have to remember that SF is 3-ish hours off so people wake up at 11am. If you just had timezones, you wouldn't have to keep this in your head!

Sankozi 3y ago
I don't understand what is your point. With single TZ: - I need to learn when people at different location work. With multiple, perfect TZs: - I still need to learn when people at different location work, and additionally I need to translate (or add TZ to) every clock time when communicating with those people. Learning when people work is similar amount of work in both cases. You always have to keep at least time offsets for every city or even office. If you have multiple TZs you need to keep them and their offsets in your head.
- justrealist 3y ago
  > With multiple, perfect TZs: - I still need to learn when people at different location work That's not true — I can roughly assume that everyone is at work by 9am their time. I just need to know their timezone. If I didn't have a timezone, I'd have to memorize the approximate offset of every city in the US.
  - Sankozi 3y ago
    So instead knowing city -> offset mapping, you need to know both city -> TZ and TZ -> offset mapping, and end up with something worse (because TZ will never be perfect, so offset from TZ is usually worse than "human" offset based on the location). I really see no benefit.

msla 3y ago

https://qntm.org/abolish https://qntm.org/abolish TL;DR: People won't wake up at local midnight because the clock says 07:00. People won't wake up at local sunrise no matter what the clock says. People will wake up when the people they coordinate with wake up. If they can't change their clocks to reflect that, the hours they keep will be very unpredictable to outsiders.