5 ms·

What you're talking about sounds just like the eb and flow of drug markets everywhere. So the policy did nothing either way? Far fewer people were incarcerated?

What you're talking about sounds just like the eb and flow of drug markets everywhere. So the policy did nothing either way? Far fewer people were incarcerated? That seems like a net positive and smashing success to me. Portugals policies were a success. It's blatantly true.

galfarragem 3y ago
Despite the law, hardly ever (if ever), anyone was incarcerated because of consuming drugs. Addicts always were jailed because of petty crime. Police couldn't manage to enforce it so government just ditched it. Like I said before, politicians always take positive results as their own but their influence here was negligible. I was there living next door, the cycle just passed. Now it's coming back and the policies are exactly the same but if you prefer to romanticize it, go ahead.
- P_I_Staker 3y ago
  I'm not romanticizing anything, I'm just sick of the never ending cycle of locking people in cages. I've been to other countries with severe property crimes issues, and they can be awful at times to lose things, but people mostly doing okay. (btw, this is backed by violent crime stats) So you have some people not having a thing, and compare it to torturing millions (hundreds of thousands?) of innocent people.
  - galfarragem 3y ago
    > I'm just sick of the never ending cycle of locking people in cages. So do I. That's why I prefer to lock 1% instead of locking the other 99%.
    - P_I_Staker 3y ago
      Not a good idea to keep locking up the sick, poor, and children. Your acceptance, and here it seems like a celebration of locking people in cages for non-violent crimes is sick.
      - galfarragem 3y ago
        Portuguese courts hardly ever lock somebody with a sentence lower than 5 years. This implies an high degree of violence, not stealing a bike. My life experience took me here. Yours took you somewhere else. We just have different worldviews that will never match.

galfarragem 3y ago

Despite the law, hardly ever (if ever), anyone was incarcerated because of consuming drugs. Addicts always were jailed because of petty crime. Police couldn't manage to enforce it so government just ditched it. Like I said before, politicians always take positive results as their own but their influence here was negligible. I was there living next door, the cycle just passed. Now it's coming back and the policies are exactly the same but if you prefer to romanticize it, go ahead.

P_I_Staker 3y ago
I'm not romanticizing anything, I'm just sick of the never ending cycle of locking people in cages. I've been to other countries with severe property crimes issues, and they can be awful at times to lose things, but people mostly doing okay. (btw, this is backed by violent crime stats) So you have some people not having a thing, and compare it to torturing millions (hundreds of thousands?) of innocent people.
- galfarragem 3y ago
  > I'm just sick of the never ending cycle of locking people in cages. So do I. That's why I prefer to lock 1% instead of locking the other 99%.
  - P_I_Staker 3y ago
    Not a good idea to keep locking up the sick, poor, and children. Your acceptance, and here it seems like a celebration of locking people in cages for non-violent crimes is sick.
    - galfarragem 3y ago
      Portuguese courts hardly ever lock somebody with a sentence lower than 5 years. This implies an high degree of violence, not stealing a bike. My life experience took me here. Yours took you somewhere else. We just have different worldviews that will never match.