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> If someone is being paid more, this person has to work more In my experience, pay rarely has any kind of correlation to the amount of work being done. I see
by RankingMember 3y ago
> If someone is being paid more, this person has to work more
In my experience, pay rarely has any kind of correlation to the amount of work being done. I see it merely as a pay for responsibility for the work of those under you or, more succinctly, "being paid to throw yourself under the bus in lieu of anyone you're managing".
- wahnfrieden 3y agoManagers usually fire team members rather than take the fall for the team.
- RankingMember 3y agoI certainly wouldn't dispute the existence of those managers- I'm thankful to have had some good managers who go to bat for their direct reports.
- wahnfrieden 3y agoYou had managers who "took the fall" for the team? The thread is about accepting blame and sacrifice, not about advocating for people under you
- RankingMember 3y ago> You had managers who "took the fall" for the team? Correct. In addition, sometimes advocating for those under you is a sacrificial act, because you're putting your reputation on the line.
- wahnfrieden 3y agoSounds performative rather than anything real at stake. Managers are expected to lay down rhetoric about accountability and contextualizing their team's failure.
- RankingMember 3y ago> Managers are expected to lay down rhetoric about accountability and contextualizing their team's failure. It sounds like the management philosophies at our respective orgs are very different.
- ryoshu 3y agoBad managers do that. Good managers accept accountability for the failures of their teams. Delegation makes a leader more accountable, not less.
- codesnik 3y agoI'd love to see an example of such an accepted accountability at least once in my life.
- Clubber 3y ago>I'd love to see an example of such an accepted accountability at least once in my life. I think that's the point, you wouldn't see it. If a good manager gets unreasonably or unfairly reamed by his boss, he's probably not gonna tell his team about it, because it would be a blow to morale. If it was indeed the team's dysfunction, he'd try to improve it.
- kevinventullo 3y agoNext time there’s a re-org, look around for managers who net lost reports, or even “decided to move on”.
- cratermoon 3y agoWhen I "decided to move on", that included deciding that management was likely not in the cards for me again. Companies that have IC staff+ roles are what attract me now.
- lupire 3y agoAnd go work for them because they were busy working instead of backstabbing politics? Meanwhile the most useless people are failing upward into CEO.
- arbitrage 3y agoI've seen it before. After that manager stepped in to help me, I would've stepped in front of a bus for him. That is the one time I had a manager like that in my entire career. It's rare, but it does happen.
- dustingetz 3y agopay is directly correlated with how much money your boss has. ice cream shops don’t pay $100k salaries. you want to double your salary, brand yourself a “consultant” and sell directly to executives, middle management needs 10 approvals to do anything.