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That link does a lot of talking without really explaining what you DO have to do.

by jeffhuys 3y ago

rkapsoro 3y ago
https://startingstrength.com/get-started https://startingstrength.com/get-started
- jeffhuys 3y ago
  Thank you. That website is a LOT less pretentious.
  - tru1ock 3y ago
    Leangains is a great resource. Do not let the tone distract from the content. The content there went mainstream much later(IF) especially so he was ahead of the curve. An IF protocol with a daily energizer routine worked wonders for me. Some great reads: https://www.amazon.com/Kettlebell-Simple-Sinister-Revised-Updated/dp/0989892433 https://www.amazon.com/Kettlebell-Simple-Sinister-Revised-Up... https://www.amazon.com/Strength-Rules-Stronger-Almost-Anyone-ebook/dp/B01869NYHM https://www.amazon.com/Strength-Rules-Stronger-Almost-Anyone...
  - zeku 3y ago
    Leangains is a relic of time. Martin Berkharn(the guy who made it) was a VERY prolific poster on the bodybuilding.com forums around 2005-2012 or something like that. The tone of his entire brand is born out of that forum and style of communication. You had to fight for your life on there if you wanted to communicate. I'm not excusing his tone btw just explaining.
    - Wojtkie 3y ago
      the bodybuilding.com forums from that time were something else.
- nojs 3y ago
  Starting strength is good but Rippetoe is very old school and the community has some cultish vibes. He is totally inflexible about any slight variation like high bar squats and trap bar deadlifts, which are great exercises and often better. His forums are not particularly friendly either. (Example: https://startingstrength.com/resources/forum/mark-rippetoe-q-and-a/61723-herniated-disc-neurosurgeon-squat-deadlift-3.html https://startingstrength.com/resources/forum/mark-rippetoe-q...) I think stronglifts is generally a better program for beginners: https://stronglifts.com/ https://stronglifts.com/
  - zls 3y ago
    Been powerlifting for 15 years and I strongly disagree. Stronglifts basically aped Starting Strength with minimal tweaks to justify separate branding, and only caught on over SS because of the slick app. Rippetoe has been coaching strength for many decades and was a competitive lifter himself, with his all-time PRs for squat and deadlift being a little over 600. He’s trained a network of coaches who command crazy prices for training because the cert is prestigious and incredibly difficult to earn. He was a key contributor to powerlifting and weightlifting components of CrossFit, until he (justifiably, imo) became disillusioned with the franchise. The Starting Strength book is an incredible resource for powerlifters, going into extreme detail into how to do the lifts, why, how to avoid getting injured, how to do your programming, and how to tell when you’ve outgrown Starting Strength. The forum you linked is actually an incredible resource where you can get free form feedback and general advice from the actual coaches (and Rippetoe), with no analog in the stronglifts community. (Is there even a stronglifts community?) Mehdi, on the other hand… is some guy who made an app. He’s not even a particularly impressive lifter, and was a decidedly unimpressive one when he launched SL. On the programs themselves: 5x5 is inappropriate for beginners. In no time at all you will hit a progression wall, and your workouts will take forever, where 3x5 could have continued without a hitch, for no upside. And despite the suggestion that more reps means more practice, the fact is that ESPECIALLY for beginners, doing a zillion reps in a state of fatigue is a great way to get hurt. Barbell rows are such a poor substitute for power cleans that Rippetoe no longer recommends them at all, and the newest edition of the book expresses remorse for ever having made the suggestion. But even putting all that aside, the most important part of SS is that it is essentially complete and will carry you for 6-9 months with no modification. Because as the commenter up the chain said, fuckarounditis is the most popular way to fail at getting strong. All the common complaints (“waah my biceps aren’t big enough”) are trivially addressed at the intermediate stage, once you’ve built a base of strength and a habit of training. This is why they are “cultish” about variations: you can do all that once you’ve run out your beginner gains. Until then, you don’t know what you’re doing and shouldn’t mess around.
squirtlebonflow 3y ago
No it doesn't. It says squat, deadlift, bench, and curl. Anything else is optional, but don't overcomplicate it.
davidguetta 3y ago
Well you didn't read it then. It's actually extremely clear about doing DEADLIFT / SQUATS / BENCH PRESS/ CHIN or PULL UPS / OVERHEAD PRESS. I can understand you may not like the 'troll' / provocative way of writing tho, it's not for everybody
- wpietri 3y ago
  Yeah, I have no idea if he's right. But he's very clear.
  - davidguetta 3y ago
    From experience it's really nice as a starter because - at a low level strength is as much important as looks - it's a lot more fun to carry heavy weight than do 100 curls with low weights - it's a very quick routine. I got some results with 40min x 3 a week Note that leangains is just not only strength trainign but a quite 'opinionated' diet based on Intermittent fasting on which I have actually strong doubts on the 'necessity', but which is defintely showing results
- addisonl 3y ago
  A massive article filled with ranting and raving is anything but “extremely clear”
  - lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 3y ago
    A massive article filled with ranting and raving which eventually communicates a point is many things, possibly including "extremely clear".
- haswell 3y ago
  > I can understand you may not like the 'troll' / provocative way of writing tho, it's not for everybody Not the other commenter, but some feedback: while I’m not a fan of the writing style, and I’m ok with that, my issue is really presentation and information density. It takes a rather dedicated reader to find useful information in between paragraph after paragraph of ranting. And since I’m not skilled at lifting, I’m more interested in hearing what you think is useful than wading through a dozen ways to belittle what people are already doing. I think you could increase your reach by making the problem/solution clearer. I’m just starting to dabble with weights, and I’m actively seeking good resources. I’m not inclined to add your blog to my research plan based on this. Hoping this comes across as constructive and in the spirit it was intended.

That link does a lot of talking without really explaining what you DO have to do.

rkapsoro 3y ago

https://startingstrength.com/get-started https://startingstrength.com/get-started

jeffhuys 3y ago
Thank you. That website is a LOT less pretentious.
- tru1ock 3y ago
  Leangains is a great resource. Do not let the tone distract from the content. The content there went mainstream much later(IF) especially so he was ahead of the curve. An IF protocol with a daily energizer routine worked wonders for me. Some great reads: https://www.amazon.com/Kettlebell-Simple-Sinister-Revised-Updated/dp/0989892433 https://www.amazon.com/Kettlebell-Simple-Sinister-Revised-Up... https://www.amazon.com/Strength-Rules-Stronger-Almost-Anyone-ebook/dp/B01869NYHM https://www.amazon.com/Strength-Rules-Stronger-Almost-Anyone...
- zeku 3y ago
  Leangains is a relic of time. Martin Berkharn(the guy who made it) was a VERY prolific poster on the bodybuilding.com forums around 2005-2012 or something like that. The tone of his entire brand is born out of that forum and style of communication. You had to fight for your life on there if you wanted to communicate. I'm not excusing his tone btw just explaining.
  - Wojtkie 3y ago
    the bodybuilding.com forums from that time were something else.
nojs 3y ago
Starting strength is good but Rippetoe is very old school and the community has some cultish vibes. He is totally inflexible about any slight variation like high bar squats and trap bar deadlifts, which are great exercises and often better. His forums are not particularly friendly either. (Example: https://startingstrength.com/resources/forum/mark-rippetoe-q-and-a/61723-herniated-disc-neurosurgeon-squat-deadlift-3.html https://startingstrength.com/resources/forum/mark-rippetoe-q...) I think stronglifts is generally a better program for beginners: https://stronglifts.com/ https://stronglifts.com/
- zls 3y ago
  Been powerlifting for 15 years and I strongly disagree. Stronglifts basically aped Starting Strength with minimal tweaks to justify separate branding, and only caught on over SS because of the slick app. Rippetoe has been coaching strength for many decades and was a competitive lifter himself, with his all-time PRs for squat and deadlift being a little over 600. He’s trained a network of coaches who command crazy prices for training because the cert is prestigious and incredibly difficult to earn. He was a key contributor to powerlifting and weightlifting components of CrossFit, until he (justifiably, imo) became disillusioned with the franchise. The Starting Strength book is an incredible resource for powerlifters, going into extreme detail into how to do the lifts, why, how to avoid getting injured, how to do your programming, and how to tell when you’ve outgrown Starting Strength. The forum you linked is actually an incredible resource where you can get free form feedback and general advice from the actual coaches (and Rippetoe), with no analog in the stronglifts community. (Is there even a stronglifts community?) Mehdi, on the other hand… is some guy who made an app. He’s not even a particularly impressive lifter, and was a decidedly unimpressive one when he launched SL. On the programs themselves: 5x5 is inappropriate for beginners. In no time at all you will hit a progression wall, and your workouts will take forever, where 3x5 could have continued without a hitch, for no upside. And despite the suggestion that more reps means more practice, the fact is that ESPECIALLY for beginners, doing a zillion reps in a state of fatigue is a great way to get hurt. Barbell rows are such a poor substitute for power cleans that Rippetoe no longer recommends them at all, and the newest edition of the book expresses remorse for ever having made the suggestion. But even putting all that aside, the most important part of SS is that it is essentially complete and will carry you for 6-9 months with no modification. Because as the commenter up the chain said, fuckarounditis is the most popular way to fail at getting strong. All the common complaints (“waah my biceps aren’t big enough”) are trivially addressed at the intermediate stage, once you’ve built a base of strength and a habit of training. This is why they are “cultish” about variations: you can do all that once you’ve run out your beginner gains. Until then, you don’t know what you’re doing and shouldn’t mess around.

squirtlebonflow 3y ago

No it doesn't. It says squat, deadlift, bench, and curl. Anything else is optional, but don't overcomplicate it.

davidguetta 3y ago

Well you didn't read it then. It's actually extremely clear about doing DEADLIFT / SQUATS / BENCH PRESS/ CHIN or PULL UPS / OVERHEAD PRESS. I can understand you may not like the 'troll' / provocative way of writing tho, it's not for everybody

wpietri 3y ago
Yeah, I have no idea if he's right. But he's very clear.
- davidguetta 3y ago
  From experience it's really nice as a starter because - at a low level strength is as much important as looks - it's a lot more fun to carry heavy weight than do 100 curls with low weights - it's a very quick routine. I got some results with 40min x 3 a week Note that leangains is just not only strength trainign but a quite 'opinionated' diet based on Intermittent fasting on which I have actually strong doubts on the 'necessity', but which is defintely showing results
addisonl 3y ago
A massive article filled with ranting and raving is anything but “extremely clear”
- lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 3y ago
  A massive article filled with ranting and raving which eventually communicates a point is many things, possibly including "extremely clear".
haswell 3y ago
> I can understand you may not like the 'troll' / provocative way of writing tho, it's not for everybody Not the other commenter, but some feedback: while I’m not a fan of the writing style, and I’m ok with that, my issue is really presentation and information density. It takes a rather dedicated reader to find useful information in between paragraph after paragraph of ranting. And since I’m not skilled at lifting, I’m more interested in hearing what you think is useful than wading through a dozen ways to belittle what people are already doing. I think you could increase your reach by making the problem/solution clearer. I’m just starting to dabble with weights, and I’m actively seeking good resources. I’m not inclined to add your blog to my research plan based on this. Hoping this comes across as constructive and in the spirit it was intended.