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The tone and level of entitlement of some comments is astonishing. Thunderbird is a free and open source tool, used by many (including me). The least we can do

by zvmaz 3y ago

The tone and level of entitlement of some comments is astonishing. Thunderbird is a free and open source tool, used by many (including me). The least we can do is to be a little nicer.

nerdponx 3y ago
I'm downvoting them as I see them. Donate or contribute or offer constructive feedback, don't just complain.
- throw10920 3y ago
  There's absolutely nothing wrong with complaining about a piece of software.
  - actuallyalys 3y ago
    I think it's reasonable to criticize a piece of open source software, especially one backed by a non-profit, but not to be entitled or mean-spirited about it.
    - nestock 3y ago
      This. The original comment mentioned "tone and level of entitlement", not "constructive criticism"
    - deleted 3y ago
      [deleted]
phist_mcgee 3y ago
As the maintainer of CoreJS (Denis Pushkarev) said: Maintainers are the unsung heroes of the software world, pouring their hearts into creating vast amounts of value that often goes unappreciated. These unsung heroes perform critical work that enables all of modern technology to function – this is not an exaggeration. These tireless individuals dedicate themselves to writing new features, fixing bugs, answering user inquiries, improving documentation, and developing innovative new software, yet they receive almost no recognition for their efforts.
- floomk 3y ago
  Is that the guy who tried to bully me into donating because one of my transitive dependencies used his npm spam?
  - unmole 3y ago
    If you feel bullied by a long message, that sounds like a psychological problem on your end.
globular-toast 3y ago
They spent 1000 credits on an iDevice with basic, inflexible, proprietary software that "looks good" and expect flexible, powerful, portable, free and open source software to look the same too.
geek_at 3y ago
I love thunderbird but I don't understand their update schedules. I just now got an update (thought it would be to 115) but it's to 102 [1]. In the release notes of 102 it says it was made public only 5 days ago (and they say 115 is coming soon). And seemingly it can't update to 115? Am I missing something here? [1] https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/thunderbird/102.13.0/releasenotes https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/thunderbird/102.13.0/relea... [edit] okay it seems 115 is not yet released as https://www.thunderbird.net/ https://www.thunderbird.net/ still links to 102. But the Beta links to 116 (https://www.thunderbird.net/de/download/beta/ https://www.thunderbird.net/de/download/beta/) so I guess they are still moving things around
- asdajksah2123 3y ago
  102.13.0 was released a few days ago. 102.x has been out for a while. When you receive an update to it depends on your distro or whether you have it installed as a Snap or Flatpak, etc.
- perihelions 3y ago
  The janky versioning is because Thunderbird releases are tied to ESR (extended-support release) versions of Firefox. - "Thunderbird Project version numbers for releases match to Mozilla Firefox ESR numbers. Thunderbird also provides consecutive betas between the ESR numbers, for example 92-101, which match to Firefox (non-ESR) beta numbers. Future Thunderbird (ESR) releases upcoming are 115, 127, etc." https://wiki.mozilla.org/Thunderbird:Home#Releases https://wiki.mozilla.org/Thunderbird:Home#Releases
- jzb 3y ago
  That threw me for a loop. I went to download 115 and got 102. I've mostly stuck with webmail (Fastmail for personal, Gmail for work) but would love to get back to a local client. So I'm willing to give the new Thunderbird a shot, but it's perplexing when they advertise 115 and give me 102 and it's really unclear how to get the nifty stuff they're advertising.
  - jonhohle 3y ago
    Gmail supports IMAP. Even in a corporate environment I used Mail as my client.
jrm4 3y ago
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- Derbasti 3y ago
  Is it JUST WORDS if someone insults you or your work? Or does it still hurt? At the very least we can be constructive and civil.
  - jrm4 3y ago
    I agree in the abstract. But as I have seen lately, devs (or dev advocates) are pretty snowflakey. Probably because I think the "average" open source dev has more or less "lost the plot?" A whole lot of trying to beat Steve Jobs at his own game and far less "lets make solid software that works well for people all the time."
yieldcrv 3y ago
There is far too much competition and non monetary incentives in FOSS to not have opinions and entitlement. FOSS is only good because of competition and entitlement.

by zvmaz 3y ago

The tone and level of entitlement of some comments is astonishing. Thunderbird is a free and open source tool, used by many (including me). The least we can do is to be a little nicer.

nerdponx 3y ago

I'm downvoting them as I see them. Donate or contribute or offer constructive feedback, don't just complain.

throw10920 3y ago
There's absolutely nothing wrong with complaining about a piece of software.
- actuallyalys 3y ago
  I think it's reasonable to criticize a piece of open source software, especially one backed by a non-profit, but not to be entitled or mean-spirited about it.
  - nestock 3y ago
    This. The original comment mentioned "tone and level of entitlement", not "constructive criticism"
  - deleted 3y ago
    [deleted]

phist_mcgee 3y ago

As the maintainer of CoreJS (Denis Pushkarev) said: Maintainers are the unsung heroes of the software world, pouring their hearts into creating vast amounts of value that often goes unappreciated. These unsung heroes perform critical work that enables all of modern technology to function – this is not an exaggeration. These tireless individuals dedicate themselves to writing new features, fixing bugs, answering user inquiries, improving documentation, and developing innovative new software, yet they receive almost no recognition for their efforts.

floomk 3y ago
Is that the guy who tried to bully me into donating because one of my transitive dependencies used his npm spam?
- unmole 3y ago
  If you feel bullied by a long message, that sounds like a psychological problem on your end.

globular-toast 3y ago

They spent 1000 credits on an iDevice with basic, inflexible, proprietary software that "looks good" and expect flexible, powerful, portable, free and open source software to look the same too.

geek_at 3y ago

I love thunderbird but I don't understand their update schedules. I just now got an update (thought it would be to 115) but it's to 102 [1]. In the release notes of 102 it says it was made public only 5 days ago (and they say 115 is coming soon). And seemingly it can't update to 115? Am I missing something here? [1] https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/thunderbird/102.13.0/releasenotes https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/thunderbird/102.13.0/relea... [edit] okay it seems 115 is not yet released as https://www.thunderbird.net/ https://www.thunderbird.net/ still links to 102. But the Beta links to 116 (https://www.thunderbird.net/de/download/beta/ https://www.thunderbird.net/de/download/beta/) so I guess they are still moving things around

asdajksah2123 3y ago
102.13.0 was released a few days ago. 102.x has been out for a while. When you receive an update to it depends on your distro or whether you have it installed as a Snap or Flatpak, etc.
perihelions 3y ago
The janky versioning is because Thunderbird releases are tied to ESR (extended-support release) versions of Firefox. - "Thunderbird Project version numbers for releases match to Mozilla Firefox ESR numbers. Thunderbird also provides consecutive betas between the ESR numbers, for example 92-101, which match to Firefox (non-ESR) beta numbers. Future Thunderbird (ESR) releases upcoming are 115, 127, etc." https://wiki.mozilla.org/Thunderbird:Home#Releases https://wiki.mozilla.org/Thunderbird:Home#Releases
jzb 3y ago
That threw me for a loop. I went to download 115 and got 102. I've mostly stuck with webmail (Fastmail for personal, Gmail for work) but would love to get back to a local client. So I'm willing to give the new Thunderbird a shot, but it's perplexing when they advertise 115 and give me 102 and it's really unclear how to get the nifty stuff they're advertising.
- jonhohle 3y ago
  Gmail supports IMAP. Even in a corporate environment I used Mail as my client.

jrm4 3y ago

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Derbasti 3y ago
Is it JUST WORDS if someone insults you or your work? Or does it still hurt? At the very least we can be constructive and civil.
- jrm4 3y ago
  I agree in the abstract. But as I have seen lately, devs (or dev advocates) are pretty snowflakey. Probably because I think the "average" open source dev has more or less "lost the plot?" A whole lot of trying to beat Steve Jobs at his own game and far less "lets make solid software that works well for people all the time."

yieldcrv 3y ago

There is far too much competition and non monetary incentives in FOSS to not have opinions and entitlement. FOSS is only good because of competition and entitlement.