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Are they trying to push people towards NextCloud instead? I've been running an OwnCloud instance at work for some years and more recently a NextCloud instance

Are they trying to push people towards NextCloud instead? I've been running an OwnCloud instance at work for some years and more recently a NextCloud instance at home. I was thinking that NextCloud was going to be the eventual upgrade path away from OwnCloud, but with their "Infinite Scale" reworking of it, I thought that maybe they were looking to take the lead again. I don't know if our usage is considered "commercial" as we're self-hosting it and not re-selling usage of it, but it could be simpler to just migrate if they ever choose to get litigious about it.

andybak 3y ago
I think their intention is to forbid "selling it as a paid service" but I agree - the merest whiff of legal uncertainty is enough for most companies just to give it a wide berth. At least AGPL etc are well understood. But bespoke licences - if I need to call a $500/hr lawyer to check if i can use your software then I'll probably just skip it.
- ndsipa_pomu 3y ago
  > I think their intention is to forbid "selling it as a paid service" That's my interpretation too. It puzzles me as surely companies providing it as a professional service would be far more likely to pay for support for the software.
- tpxl 3y ago
  > At least AGPL etc are well understood Is AGPL well understood? I thought people were still arguing whether you have to open source your whole company if you dare change a single line of AGPL code.
  - kanwisher 3y ago
    No only open source any modifications to the AGPL code
  - Avamander 3y ago
    > I thought people were still arguing whether you have to open source your whole company if you dare change a single line of AGPL code. Part of that argument is just a few companies' fear of contributing anything back, not that the license is so wide.
stemc43 3y ago
well, the issue is modern nextcloud vs owncloud is not what it was 5 years aog. nextcloud is still a buggy php app (without swoole) and owncloud is a completely rewritten in golang.
- izoow 3y ago
  I was recently exploring the options of self hosted cloud and was quite disappointed with NextCloud. The performance of both the UI and syncing was pretty bad. I thought my home NAS just isn't powerful enough. Then I tried OCIS (golang rewrite of ownCloud) and it's a complete different story.
- briantakita 3y ago
  The High Performance Backend is written in Rust. > nextcloud is still a buggy php app (without swoole) and owncloud is a completely rewritten in golang. I'm just getting started with Nextcloud & did some research into the topic. My take is they are going to keep PHP due to legacy & interoperability reasons. How is the DX in making an Owncloud App? Also, are there open source alternatives to their Enterprise features, such as Microsoft integration?

andybak 3y ago

I think their intention is to forbid "selling it as a paid service" but I agree - the merest whiff of legal uncertainty is enough for most companies just to give it a wide berth. At least AGPL etc are well understood. But bespoke licences - if I need to call a $500/hr lawyer to check if i can use your software then I'll probably just skip it.

ndsipa_pomu 3y ago
> I think their intention is to forbid "selling it as a paid service" That's my interpretation too. It puzzles me as surely companies providing it as a professional service would be far more likely to pay for support for the software.
tpxl 3y ago
> At least AGPL etc are well understood Is AGPL well understood? I thought people were still arguing whether you have to open source your whole company if you dare change a single line of AGPL code.
- kanwisher 3y ago
  No only open source any modifications to the AGPL code
- Avamander 3y ago
  > I thought people were still arguing whether you have to open source your whole company if you dare change a single line of AGPL code. Part of that argument is just a few companies' fear of contributing anything back, not that the license is so wide.

stemc43 3y ago

well, the issue is modern nextcloud vs owncloud is not what it was 5 years aog. nextcloud is still a buggy php app (without swoole) and owncloud is a completely rewritten in golang.

izoow 3y ago
I was recently exploring the options of self hosted cloud and was quite disappointed with NextCloud. The performance of both the UI and syncing was pretty bad. I thought my home NAS just isn't powerful enough. Then I tried OCIS (golang rewrite of ownCloud) and it's a complete different story.
briantakita 3y ago
The High Performance Backend is written in Rust. > nextcloud is still a buggy php app (without swoole) and owncloud is a completely rewritten in golang. I'm just getting started with Nextcloud & did some research into the topic. My take is they are going to keep PHP due to legacy & interoperability reasons. How is the DX in making an Owncloud App? Also, are there open source alternatives to their Enterprise features, such as Microsoft integration?