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> - Screenshots and sharing the screen; Here's a screenshot I just took on my plasma / wayland desktop. https://imgur.com/a/IBI6u3S https://imgur.com/a/IBI6u3

by growse 3y ago

> - Screenshots and sharing the screen; Here's a screenshot I just took on my plasma / wayland desktop. https://imgur.com/a/IBI6u3S https://imgur.com/a/IBI6u3S Here's a screenshot of me sharing a window in firefox: https://imgur.com/a/LpdyqIl https://imgur.com/a/LpdyqIl > Global hotkeys I use global hotkeys to switch between keyboard layouts, see the screenshot. Works fine. > Alternative / switchable / tunable keyboard layouts and input methods. Not fancy stuff, just, say, typing Latin, Cyrillic, Greek, and Japanese characters. I use global hotkeys to switch between keyboard layouts, see the screenshot. Works fine. > All these things are is some sort of disarray under Wayland currently This all basically worked out of the box. I'm really not seeing where this disarray is. Have you actually used wayland, or are you regurgitating taking points from 5 years ago?

nine_k 3y ago
Last time I tried to use Wayland was indeed quite some time ago. I should try again!
Monsterovich 3y ago
> Here's a screenshot of me sharing a window in firefox: You forgot to mention that it doesn't work without portals and Pipewire dependency, and portals have to be implemented individually for each DE. > I use global hotkeys to switch between keyboard layouts, see the screenshot. Works fine. Because the KDE developers went to a lot of effort to make it work. That doesn't mean it will work well in other DEs and that is Wayland's problem.
- rkangel 3y ago
  You've moved the goalposts on this argument now. "$Thing is hard to implement on Wayland and requires quite a lot of effort by each DE"[1] is a very different argument to "$Thing doesn't work on Wayland". Pretty much everything you listed works well in Fedora with Gnome/Mutter. If the maintainers of the DEs are happy with the effort, then I don't see a problem? (unless you're a DE maintainer, in which case - fair enough). [1] When I first wrote this sentence I wrote "X is hard to implement" using X as a metasyntactic variable before I realised that was incredibly confusing in context!
  - nine_k 3y ago
    If something requires effort from each DE / compositor to implement, it's not "implemented in Wayland", but rather Wayland does not preclude it from being implemented.

by growse 3y ago

nine_k 3y ago

Last time I tried to use Wayland was indeed quite some time ago. I should try again!

Monsterovich 3y ago

> Here's a screenshot of me sharing a window in firefox: You forgot to mention that it doesn't work without portals and Pipewire dependency, and portals have to be implemented individually for each DE. > I use global hotkeys to switch between keyboard layouts, see the screenshot. Works fine. Because the KDE developers went to a lot of effort to make it work. That doesn't mean it will work well in other DEs and that is Wayland's problem.

rkangel 3y ago
You've moved the goalposts on this argument now. "$Thing is hard to implement on Wayland and requires quite a lot of effort by each DE"[1] is a very different argument to "$Thing doesn't work on Wayland". Pretty much everything you listed works well in Fedora with Gnome/Mutter. If the maintainers of the DEs are happy with the effort, then I don't see a problem? (unless you're a DE maintainer, in which case - fair enough). [1] When I first wrote this sentence I wrote "X is hard to implement" using X as a metasyntactic variable before I realised that was incredibly confusing in context!
- nine_k 3y ago
  If something requires effort from each DE / compositor to implement, it's not "implemented in Wayland", but rather Wayland does not preclude it from being implemented.