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Yeah, please repeat the same bullshit for the umpteenth time. This happens under every goddamn wayland-related thread from people who have never ever touched an

by kaba0 3y ago

Yeah, please repeat the same bullshit for the umpteenth time. This happens under every goddamn wayland-related thread from people who have never ever touched anything graphics related with this typical cocky attitude - at this point this is just fake news. So if X is so great, why exactly have the very developers who worked on it all switched to Wayland? Like, if they could made something you believe is good, shouldn’t you trust their expertise in this also? > security model which you must actively break to get actual work That’s literally how security models should work: you put tiny holes into a solid block. You can’t plug a swiss cheese’s holes after the fact. > That Wayland is 10 years old and still barely usable What exactly is your thought process here, what kind of process could change such an inherent protocol in a bazaar style ecosystem faster? It’s not apple who can just say “we are using this protocol from next year. If you wanna work, port your software”. Even if something is so much more superior than the status quo, it would need a huge amount of time to spread. Also the first 5 years of Wayland was very different from the last 5 - and it has definitely reached critical mass in the latter 5. A year now may easily introduce more progress than 5 at the beginning, from the cumulative effect of more contributors, more testers, etc. And that barely usable part is pure bullshit again — how else would it be the default protocol for plenty distros already?

j16sdiz 3y ago
> So if X is so great, why exactly have the very developers who worked on it all switched to Wayland? Because some developers love greenfield projects. See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36642796 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36642796 > And that barely usable part is pure bullshit again — how else would it be the default protocol for plenty distros already? A default that broke half of the programs I use. Thank you. To be fair, lots of progress in the past two years. It went from 90% broken to 50% broken..
- kaba0 3y ago
  Surely noone would like to develop something even if its greenfield if they don’t see it promising. Believe me, they would have been more then happy to pop into existence a 100% backwards compatible change, but that is impossible.
  - Vilian 3y ago
    in the comment session of that HW post there was a lot of people saying that they hate to create projects and prefer to maintaing code, if even the mainteiners don't want to work on it, just proves how complex it was
- Fnoord 3y ago
  Half the programs you use? Are you OK with all of these programs having access to each other? Would using XWayland not solve the issue? The main issue I have with X programs in Wayland is that I use 4k and the scaling is off. But its still usable.
pravus 3y ago
> Yeah, please repeat the same bullshit for the umpteenth time. I'm currently streaming X11 over my LAN which is something I can't do with Wayland. Give me a fucking solution instead of telling me I'm doing it wrong. Yes, I'm tired of seeing all this bullshit, too. I'll switch immediately when Wayland gives me want I need to make me productive. Until then, I'm absolutely sick of this cocky attitude.
- omeid2 3y ago
  RDP.
  - 1MachineElf 3y ago
    RDP is in no way a replacement for X11 application forwarding. Waypipe is the solution. Compare: https://access.redhat.com/documentation/eses/red_hat_enterprise_linux/9/html/getting_started_with_the_gnome_desktop_environment/remotely-accessing-an-individual-application-x11_getting-started-with-the-gnome-desktop-environment#:~:text=Launching%20an%20application%20remotely%20using%20X11%20forwarding%201,see%20Configuring%20and%20starting%20an%20OpenSSH%20server%20 https://access.redhat.com/documentation/eses/red_hat_enterpr.... With: https://access.redhat.com/documentation/eses/red_hat_enterprise_linux/9/html/getting_started_with_the_gnome_desktop_environment/remotely-accessing-an-individual-application-wayland_getting-started-with-the-gnome-desktop-environment https://access.redhat.com/documentation/eses/red_hat_enterpr...
- anthk 3y ago
  x2go/freenx, must better than plain X11.
- misterio7 3y ago
  Yes you can lol. I'm literally using WayVNC right now to work on my laptop from my desktop seamlessly
  - 1MachineElf 3y ago
    WayVNC is in not a real replacement for X11 application forwarding. Waypipe is the solution. Compare: https://access.redhat.com/documentation/eses/red_hat_enterprise_linux/9/html/getting_started_with_the_gnome_desktop_environment/remotely-accessing-an-individual-application-x11_getting-started-with-the-gnome-desktop-environment#:~:text=Launching%20an%20application%20remotely%20using%20X11%20forwarding%201,see%20Configuring%20and%20starting%20an%20OpenSSH%20server%20 https://access.redhat.com/documentation/eses/red_hat_enterpr.... With: https://access.redhat.com/documentation/eses/red_hat_enterprise_linux/9/html/getting_started_with_the_gnome_desktop_environment/remotely-accessing-an-individual-application-wayland_getting-started-with-the-gnome-desktop-environment https://access.redhat.com/documentation/eses/red_hat_enterpr...
dang 3y ago
Please don't post in the flamewar style to HN. We've had to ask you this before. Instead, if you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules, including: "Don't feed egregious comments by replying; flag them instead." (a.k.a. please don't feed the trolls) ...we'd appreciate it.

by kaba0 3y ago

j16sdiz 3y ago

> So if X is so great, why exactly have the very developers who worked on it all switched to Wayland? Because some developers love greenfield projects. See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36642796 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36642796 > And that barely usable part is pure bullshit again — how else would it be the default protocol for plenty distros already? A default that broke half of the programs I use. Thank you. To be fair, lots of progress in the past two years. It went from 90% broken to 50% broken..

kaba0 3y ago
Surely noone would like to develop something even if its greenfield if they don’t see it promising. Believe me, they would have been more then happy to pop into existence a 100% backwards compatible change, but that is impossible.
- Vilian 3y ago
  in the comment session of that HW post there was a lot of people saying that they hate to create projects and prefer to maintaing code, if even the mainteiners don't want to work on it, just proves how complex it was
Fnoord 3y ago
Half the programs you use? Are you OK with all of these programs having access to each other? Would using XWayland not solve the issue? The main issue I have with X programs in Wayland is that I use 4k and the scaling is off. But its still usable.

pravus 3y ago

> Yeah, please repeat the same bullshit for the umpteenth time. I'm currently streaming X11 over my LAN which is something I can't do with Wayland. Give me a fucking solution instead of telling me I'm doing it wrong. Yes, I'm tired of seeing all this bullshit, too. I'll switch immediately when Wayland gives me want I need to make me productive. Until then, I'm absolutely sick of this cocky attitude.

omeid2 3y ago
RDP.
- 1MachineElf 3y ago
  RDP is in no way a replacement for X11 application forwarding. Waypipe is the solution. Compare: https://access.redhat.com/documentation/eses/red_hat_enterprise_linux/9/html/getting_started_with_the_gnome_desktop_environment/remotely-accessing-an-individual-application-x11_getting-started-with-the-gnome-desktop-environment#:~:text=Launching%20an%20application%20remotely%20using%20X11%20forwarding%201,see%20Configuring%20and%20starting%20an%20OpenSSH%20server%20 https://access.redhat.com/documentation/eses/red_hat_enterpr.... With: https://access.redhat.com/documentation/eses/red_hat_enterprise_linux/9/html/getting_started_with_the_gnome_desktop_environment/remotely-accessing-an-individual-application-wayland_getting-started-with-the-gnome-desktop-environment https://access.redhat.com/documentation/eses/red_hat_enterpr...
anthk 3y ago
x2go/freenx, must better than plain X11.
misterio7 3y ago
Yes you can lol. I'm literally using WayVNC right now to work on my laptop from my desktop seamlessly
- 1MachineElf 3y ago
  WayVNC is in not a real replacement for X11 application forwarding. Waypipe is the solution. Compare: https://access.redhat.com/documentation/eses/red_hat_enterprise_linux/9/html/getting_started_with_the_gnome_desktop_environment/remotely-accessing-an-individual-application-x11_getting-started-with-the-gnome-desktop-environment#:~:text=Launching%20an%20application%20remotely%20using%20X11%20forwarding%201,see%20Configuring%20and%20starting%20an%20OpenSSH%20server%20 https://access.redhat.com/documentation/eses/red_hat_enterpr.... With: https://access.redhat.com/documentation/eses/red_hat_enterprise_linux/9/html/getting_started_with_the_gnome_desktop_environment/remotely-accessing-an-individual-application-wayland_getting-started-with-the-gnome-desktop-environment https://access.redhat.com/documentation/eses/red_hat_enterpr...

dang 3y ago

Please don't post in the flamewar style to HN. We've had to ask you this before. Instead, if you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules, including: "Don't feed egregious comments by replying; flag them instead." (a.k.a. please don't feed the trolls) ...we'd appreciate it.