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The existence of Wayland does nothing to detract from the existence of X or its users or developers. Nothing stops anybody from maintaining and developing X. Yo

The existence of Wayland does nothing to detract from the existence of X or its users or developers. Nothing stops anybody from maintaining and developing X. You can download and install X for your Wayland distro. Not sure that anybody who "has a problem" has stepped up to really do much about it (most X development in the past few years is to support Xwayland), so it can't be that much of a problem.

bandrami 3y ago
This is about OpenBSD, whose team continues to maintain and update Xenocara. If I had to guess I would guess that when Linux distro grow tired of the new shiny they will switch to a port of Xenocara for their display systems.
- throwawaylinux 3y ago
  > This is about OpenBSD, whose team continues to maintain and update Xenocara. Did you reply to the wrong comment? How does this address what I wrote? > If I had to guess I would guess that when Linux distro grow tired of the new shiny they will switch to a port of Xenocara for their display systems. Linux distros are not going back to Xorg. Xenocara is basically just that adapted to OpenBSD, but all the Xorg developers remaining pretty much work for Linux distros so if they did go back they would just switch to what they already package and ship today.
  - bandrami 3y ago
    > Linux distros are not going back to Xorg. There never going to fully "leave" Xorg (Debian still ships token ring software FFS so the idea that they'll stop shipping X is just a weird fantasy some people have for some reason) so in that sense they won't "go back". Void is already working on packaging Xenocara and I doubt they'll be the last one; OpenBSD will just become the team that provides both a display server and a secure remote shell for lots of the Linux ecosystem.
    - throwawaylinux 3y ago
      > There never going to fully "leave" Xorg (Debian still ships token ring software FFS so the idea that they'll stop shipping X is just a weird fantasy some people have for some reason) Obviously we're talking about using it as the default display server, and to that end they are and will. X will stay around for compatibility for quite a while of course. > so in that sense they won't "go back". No, so they won't switch to some other Xorg system, they'll just keep using what they have. > Void is already working on packaging Xenocara and I doubt they'll be the last one; OpenBSD will just become the team that provides both a display server and a secure remote shell for lots of the Linux ecosystem. I'm not sure about every last esoteric Linux distro, but the big ones. To that end, they are the ones actually paying people to develop Xorg and have been for many years. I don't see why they would move to something else even if they did go back to X, which they won't.
      - bandrami 3y ago
        If I cared about a system's popularity I certainly wouldn't be using Linux on the desktop.
        throwawaylinux 3y ago
        Thanks for letting everybody know.

bandrami 3y ago

This is about OpenBSD, whose team continues to maintain and update Xenocara. If I had to guess I would guess that when Linux distro grow tired of the new shiny they will switch to a port of Xenocara for their display systems.

throwawaylinux 3y ago
> This is about OpenBSD, whose team continues to maintain and update Xenocara. Did you reply to the wrong comment? How does this address what I wrote? > If I had to guess I would guess that when Linux distro grow tired of the new shiny they will switch to a port of Xenocara for their display systems. Linux distros are not going back to Xorg. Xenocara is basically just that adapted to OpenBSD, but all the Xorg developers remaining pretty much work for Linux distros so if they did go back they would just switch to what they already package and ship today.
- bandrami 3y ago
  > Linux distros are not going back to Xorg. There never going to fully "leave" Xorg (Debian still ships token ring software FFS so the idea that they'll stop shipping X is just a weird fantasy some people have for some reason) so in that sense they won't "go back". Void is already working on packaging Xenocara and I doubt they'll be the last one; OpenBSD will just become the team that provides both a display server and a secure remote shell for lots of the Linux ecosystem.
  - throwawaylinux 3y ago
    > There never going to fully "leave" Xorg (Debian still ships token ring software FFS so the idea that they'll stop shipping X is just a weird fantasy some people have for some reason) Obviously we're talking about using it as the default display server, and to that end they are and will. X will stay around for compatibility for quite a while of course. > so in that sense they won't "go back". No, so they won't switch to some other Xorg system, they'll just keep using what they have. > Void is already working on packaging Xenocara and I doubt they'll be the last one; OpenBSD will just become the team that provides both a display server and a secure remote shell for lots of the Linux ecosystem. I'm not sure about every last esoteric Linux distro, but the big ones. To that end, they are the ones actually paying people to develop Xorg and have been for many years. I don't see why they would move to something else even if they did go back to X, which they won't.
    - bandrami 3y ago
      If I cared about a system's popularity I certainly wouldn't be using Linux on the desktop.
      - throwawaylinux 3y ago
        Thanks for letting everybody know.