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I wouldn't be surprised if entry-level positions are lower than 50k a year. Especially in Italy.

mmkos 3y ago
Not sure what currency you have in mind, but I'm in Europe and I know it is. In fact, I just checked and it is a meagre €26k according to Glassdoor (median). I don't know why that is. First thought would be that European countries' economies are still mostly based on old industries and so the value of software isn't as big here? I'd like to know.
- that_guy_iain 3y ago
  Salaries just aren't as a large by default the average dev salary for an experienced in the US is 100k. In the UK for example it's about 35k GBP. Germany about 50k EUR. Entry-level in Germany is 35-40k for a developer. I hear that italy has lower salaries. France might have higher.
  - ffhhttt 3y ago
    So the average salary for an experienced developer in Britain is just barely above the national median? That’s a bit surprising..
  - siquick 3y ago
    > In the UK for example it's about 35k GBP Any source for this as it’s very different to what I’ve seen.
    - that_guy_iain 3y ago
      Experience. A UK average takes in all the various spots. Like Manchester is about 50k. London about 80-90k. But all those small little companies with developers in the middle of nowhere bring the average down. Then all the digital agencies paying pennies brings the average down. I had a remote contract in the UK at the start of the year that was 80k. So I know good pay is available but I also have an inbox full of 24-40k a year roles from recruiters.
  - legulere 3y ago
    Median salary for all software developers in Germany (not just experienced) was 64.584€ in 2021 and should have risen quite a lot with current inflation by now. https://web.arbeitsagentur.de/entgeltatlas/beruf/15260 https://web.arbeitsagentur.de/entgeltatlas/beruf/15260
ffhhttt 3y ago
They seem to list ~ 50k as the bottom range on their site
srg0 3y ago
Indeed, entry level positions in Italy are much lower in general, but that's what Bending Spoons advertise on their website [1]. Milan is an expensive city, the average wage 2.5x the national average, and they're kind of a cool employer, so I suppose they can be more selective. [1]: https://jobs.bendingspoons.com/positions/63eb93a4a9adba3723834b68 https://jobs.bendingspoons.com/positions/63eb93a4a9adba37238...

Not sure what currency you have in mind, but I'm in Europe and I know it is. In fact, I just checked and it is a meagre €26k according to Glassdoor (median). I don't know why that is. First thought would be that European countries' economies are still mostly based on old industries and so the value of software isn't as big here? I'd like to know.

that_guy_iain 3y ago
Salaries just aren't as a large by default the average dev salary for an experienced in the US is 100k. In the UK for example it's about 35k GBP. Germany about 50k EUR. Entry-level in Germany is 35-40k for a developer. I hear that italy has lower salaries. France might have higher.
- ffhhttt 3y ago
  So the average salary for an experienced developer in Britain is just barely above the national median? That’s a bit surprising..
- siquick 3y ago
  > In the UK for example it's about 35k GBP Any source for this as it’s very different to what I’ve seen.
  - that_guy_iain 3y ago
    Experience. A UK average takes in all the various spots. Like Manchester is about 50k. London about 80-90k. But all those small little companies with developers in the middle of nowhere bring the average down. Then all the digital agencies paying pennies brings the average down. I had a remote contract in the UK at the start of the year that was 80k. So I know good pay is available but I also have an inbox full of 24-40k a year roles from recruiters.
- legulere 3y ago
  Median salary for all software developers in Germany (not just experienced) was 64.584€ in 2021 and should have risen quite a lot with current inflation by now. https://web.arbeitsagentur.de/entgeltatlas/beruf/15260 https://web.arbeitsagentur.de/entgeltatlas/beruf/15260

ffhhttt 3y ago

They seem to list ~ 50k as the bottom range on their site

srg0 3y ago

Indeed, entry level positions in Italy are much lower in general, but that's what Bending Spoons advertise on their website [1]. Milan is an expensive city, the average wage 2.5x the national average, and they're kind of a cool employer, so I suppose they can be more selective. [1]: https://jobs.bendingspoons.com/positions/63eb93a4a9adba3723834b68 https://jobs.bendingspoons.com/positions/63eb93a4a9adba37238...