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There is a difference in knowledge that a fire department Vs a company producing the material have. First, it's a choice to include these in the product. Second
by lock-the-spock 3y ago
There is a difference in knowledge that a fire department Vs a company producing the material have. First, it's a choice to include these in the product. Second, it's a choice whether to appropriately inform fire departments on how to handle such material. Third, an individual fire department cannot invent removal/capture methodologies, this is again something that would need to be offered by the producer.
I'm astonished how easily the narrative is shifted to blaming the little guy. Is a customer expected to re-verify the toxicity of the products they buy and set up their own recycling system?
Honestly hard to imagine the many comments here spreading doubt on the well-established dangers of pfas and arguing how innocent 3m is are disinterested comments.
- fastball 3y agoI can buy a giant load of bleach today and dump it into my local river. Is Clorox to blame for any negative impacts that result? No, that is 100% on me. Now I admit this isn't a perfect analogy, but I definitely don't think it's on the other end of the spectrum from this case (where 3M seems to be getting 100% of the blame).
- thorncorona 3y agono because the effects of bleach are well known? what kind of dumb analogy is this. imagine if you sold utensils made of a new material you invested that was 100% compostable. and you tested it and observed it was toxic to rats. but it didn’t seem to kill humans at first glance. so you sold it to restaurants to use as a better alternative to plastic utensils. but over time they are toxic. now replace utensils with pots, and the material with teflon/teflon precursors (ptfe/pfoa) and you now you have reality.
- fastball 3y agoI don't think you understand analogies either. That's not an analogy, that is what happened.
- TheBigSalad 3y agoBleach does end up in the water, but it's highly reactive and breaks down into harmless stuff. Chlorox would be to blame if it was causing long term harm and they knew it. Even without customers deliberately dumping it into the water.
- SamoyedFurFluff 3y agoA better analogy is that you sold bleach tablets as safe to dump in rivers, while knowing they were unsafe. The people who bought them aren’t at fault here, because you misled them.