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So if you're handed a pint of water laced with PFAS, you're going to drink it without a care?

by henry_bone 3y ago

s1artibartfast 3y ago
Well that depends on the concentration and how much you're willing to pay me
- ImPostingOnHN 3y ago
  not sure why you need to be paid to drink water that we allegedly don't know is harmful, but go ahead and price your ask per concentration feel free to develop a formula, if you so desire
  - s1artibartfast 3y ago
    My point is the highlight that harm, concentration, risk, and damage or not binary but magnitudes. One molecule for glass is negligible and a Pure Glass would be suicide.
    - ImPostingOnHN 3y ago
      correct, and you should price the different concentrations you're willing to imbibe, so communities already ingesting them can apply the same pricing structure to calculate damages for unwilling exposure
fshbbdssbbgdd 3y ago
If I believe the headlines, that’s all the water we are drinking.
HPsquared 3y ago
Levels experienced in the real world by real people, or a contrived example?
vel0city 3y ago
We agree table salt (sodium chloride) is generally safe to eat, right? Like, you probably sprinkle it on your food and what not? If I asked you to chug a gallon of water that was 26% salt by weight, you're going to drink it without care? No? I guess you should stop eating foods with sodium chloride! There's loads of things I use in every day life that I wouldn't want to ingest in odd quantities. I handle gasoline and paint thinner and dishwashing detergents and hand soap every now and then but if you tried to get me to even drink a teaspoon of it I'd probably turn you down. Is the rule now if you wouldn't drink a glass of it you should never handle it in any way? By the way, please do not drink that 26% salt brine. It will do very terrible things to your body and probably significantly hurt you.
- henry_bone 3y ago
  It's one thing to make an academic case in an online forum, that PFAS are not detrimental (at low levels) to human health. But when it gets down to it, would you rather avoid PFAS, or you just don't think they're a problem? > Is the rule now if you wouldn't drink a glass of it you should never handle it in any way? Some things are not safe at any level. Lead (Pb) for example. So what about PFAS? Does it accumulate in the body? What are the effects of long-term ingestion? My question was intended to see just how serious people were, who were making the argument that PFAS weren't a thing to be concerned about.
  - vel0city 3y ago
    Sure, I would like to avoid PFAS on things that I regularly eat like takeout containers and the like. I'd probably not go for the Scotchgard coating on my next couch as fibers from the couch's fabric usually get flung into the air and I end up breathing in small tiny amounts and it's a high contact thing overall. But if PFAS improved engine seals means my car will last longer, then sure that sounds great. I'd avoid drinking a glass of motor oil as well, but I still prefer having my car lubricated at the end of the day.

So if you're handed a pint of water laced with PFAS, you're going to drink it without a care?

s1artibartfast 3y ago

Well that depends on the concentration and how much you're willing to pay me

ImPostingOnHN 3y ago
not sure why you need to be paid to drink water that we allegedly don't know is harmful, but go ahead and price your ask per concentration feel free to develop a formula, if you so desire
- s1artibartfast 3y ago
  My point is the highlight that harm, concentration, risk, and damage or not binary but magnitudes. One molecule for glass is negligible and a Pure Glass would be suicide.
  - ImPostingOnHN 3y ago
    correct, and you should price the different concentrations you're willing to imbibe, so communities already ingesting them can apply the same pricing structure to calculate damages for unwilling exposure

fshbbdssbbgdd 3y ago

If I believe the headlines, that’s all the water we are drinking.

HPsquared 3y ago

Levels experienced in the real world by real people, or a contrived example?

vel0city 3y ago

We agree table salt (sodium chloride) is generally safe to eat, right? Like, you probably sprinkle it on your food and what not? If I asked you to chug a gallon of water that was 26% salt by weight, you're going to drink it without care? No? I guess you should stop eating foods with sodium chloride! There's loads of things I use in every day life that I wouldn't want to ingest in odd quantities. I handle gasoline and paint thinner and dishwashing detergents and hand soap every now and then but if you tried to get me to even drink a teaspoon of it I'd probably turn you down. Is the rule now if you wouldn't drink a glass of it you should never handle it in any way? By the way, please do not drink that 26% salt brine. It will do very terrible things to your body and probably significantly hurt you.

henry_bone 3y ago
It's one thing to make an academic case in an online forum, that PFAS are not detrimental (at low levels) to human health. But when it gets down to it, would you rather avoid PFAS, or you just don't think they're a problem? > Is the rule now if you wouldn't drink a glass of it you should never handle it in any way? Some things are not safe at any level. Lead (Pb) for example. So what about PFAS? Does it accumulate in the body? What are the effects of long-term ingestion? My question was intended to see just how serious people were, who were making the argument that PFAS weren't a thing to be concerned about.
- vel0city 3y ago
  Sure, I would like to avoid PFAS on things that I regularly eat like takeout containers and the like. I'd probably not go for the Scotchgard coating on my next couch as fibers from the couch's fabric usually get flung into the air and I end up breathing in small tiny amounts and it's a high contact thing overall. But if PFAS improved engine seals means my car will last longer, then sure that sounds great. I'd avoid drinking a glass of motor oil as well, but I still prefer having my car lubricated at the end of the day.