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While there are many corner cases which you have outlined, in the grand scheme of things job advert data is a reasonable indicator (and one of the few we have).

While there are many corner cases which you have outlined, in the grand scheme of things job advert data is a reasonable indicator (and one of the few we have). In the case of languages with limited commercial adoption (Clojure, Haskell) there will be more noise due to the small sample size and low adoption. The indeed.com data indicates that Java and C# are popular languages. Do you believe that to not be an accurate reflection of reality? What is interesting about the blog is that it also correlates the results with results from polls among developers.

route66 15y ago
The big three are Java, C# and C(++). But I do not need to go to indeed to know that. Indeed is used often to show that language a has more adoption than language b. a and b being languages in the non- or pre-commercial domain. I'm only arguing that statements like "haskell overtakes prolog, statical typing > declarative programming" cannot be inferred from indeed data. As for the "reasonable indicator": if the average java/php job points out that "haskell/erlang/prolog is a pre" , job ads might only be a reasonable indicator for the languages we already know to be at the top.
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  - route66 15y ago
    I assume nothing. I'm only wondering about the tone sneaking in. That aside: I just notice: <programming language> is on the rise according to indeed.com trend stats. I follow the link "watch <programming language> jobs" I see that virtually none of the ads offer jobs where this pl is used. What do you make of that?
    - thebluesky 15y ago
      According to my reading of the blog commercial adoption of Clojure is low despite its popularity amongst programmers. Your comments regarding the lack of valid jobs for Clojure supports this argument rather than refutes it. Also, you noted that Scala ads on indeed.com were in fact valid (which the blog seems to argue is being adopted commercially). In both cases the data you observed was in agreement with the conclusions drawn.

route66 15y ago

The big three are Java, C# and C(++). But I do not need to go to indeed to know that. Indeed is used often to show that language a has more adoption than language b. a and b being languages in the non- or pre-commercial domain. I'm only arguing that statements like "haskell overtakes prolog, statical typing > declarative programming" cannot be inferred from indeed data. As for the "reasonable indicator": if the average java/php job points out that "haskell/erlang/prolog is a pre" , job ads might only be a reasonable indicator for the languages we already know to be at the top.

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- route66 15y ago
  I assume nothing. I'm only wondering about the tone sneaking in. That aside: I just notice: <programming language> is on the rise according to indeed.com trend stats. I follow the link "watch <programming language> jobs" I see that virtually none of the ads offer jobs where this pl is used. What do you make of that?
  - thebluesky 15y ago
    According to my reading of the blog commercial adoption of Clojure is low despite its popularity amongst programmers. Your comments regarding the lack of valid jobs for Clojure supports this argument rather than refutes it. Also, you noted that Scala ads on indeed.com were in fact valid (which the blog seems to argue is being adopted commercially). In both cases the data you observed was in agreement with the conclusions drawn.