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By that logic, anything that could potentially ever help catch a criminal is worth any potential cost to anyone who isn't you.

starttoaster 3y ago
I think I see where you’re coming from here. Presuming that the police are incapable of performing their job without killing innocent people. We see a lot of that on the tv these days, so I understand your perspective. But if we presume that the police are incapable of performing their jobs, then you’re saying it’s never really worth involving them at all. And that’s an even bigger problem.
- flangola7 3y ago
  >you’re saying it’s never really worth involving them at all. This is the reality for many millions of Americans. I have people in my own family for whom police interaction of virtually any kind will make their situation worse time. There are neighborhoods and communities where the idea of calling the police and actually expecting to receive help will get you laughed out of the room, as everyone in the room knows from actual experience it isn't true. A third of their local taxes go to a thing that will at best never help them. It isn't by accident that nations have travel advisories warning their citizens about American police.
  - scarby2 3y ago
    So how do we fix the actual problem? A functional police service is a useful thing to have and a moral imperative. American police are sub optimal so we have to stop working with them and get rid of them is a non-sequiter
    - flangola7 3y ago
      The idea that policing (or at least anything we would recognize as policing today) is necessary in society is from a universal opinion and certainly has not been the reality for most of human civilization. "Abolish the Police" is not rhetorical. https://archive.ph/6E7mY https://archive.ph/6E7mY
      - starttoaster 3y ago
        Maybe not having police worked when the population density was like half a person per square kilometer, but with people packed up into tight spaces as they do now, I think you’re living a dream.
  - janalsncm 3y ago
    In that case, I can’t think of a better advertisement for Ring. A doorbell camera with police on speed dial. Criminals know not to mess around because if Ring sees them doing anything funny an internationally recognized death squad will come knocking.
    - flangola7 3y ago
      You missed my entire point. The ring owner in this case is not exempt from being death squad'ed.

starttoaster 3y ago

I think I see where you’re coming from here. Presuming that the police are incapable of performing their job without killing innocent people. We see a lot of that on the tv these days, so I understand your perspective. But if we presume that the police are incapable of performing their jobs, then you’re saying it’s never really worth involving them at all. And that’s an even bigger problem.

flangola7 3y ago
>you’re saying it’s never really worth involving them at all. This is the reality for many millions of Americans. I have people in my own family for whom police interaction of virtually any kind will make their situation worse time. There are neighborhoods and communities where the idea of calling the police and actually expecting to receive help will get you laughed out of the room, as everyone in the room knows from actual experience it isn't true. A third of their local taxes go to a thing that will at best never help them. It isn't by accident that nations have travel advisories warning their citizens about American police.
- scarby2 3y ago
  So how do we fix the actual problem? A functional police service is a useful thing to have and a moral imperative. American police are sub optimal so we have to stop working with them and get rid of them is a non-sequiter
  - flangola7 3y ago
    The idea that policing (or at least anything we would recognize as policing today) is necessary in society is from a universal opinion and certainly has not been the reality for most of human civilization. "Abolish the Police" is not rhetorical. https://archive.ph/6E7mY https://archive.ph/6E7mY
    - starttoaster 3y ago
      Maybe not having police worked when the population density was like half a person per square kilometer, but with people packed up into tight spaces as they do now, I think you’re living a dream.
- janalsncm 3y ago
  In that case, I can’t think of a better advertisement for Ring. A doorbell camera with police on speed dial. Criminals know not to mess around because if Ring sees them doing anything funny an internationally recognized death squad will come knocking.
  - flangola7 3y ago
    You missed my entire point. The ring owner in this case is not exempt from being death squad'ed.