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Mozilla ending support for Windows 7

mattl 3y ago
Why should these projects support things after the companies that make them do? Mozilla doesn’t support old Linux or macOS either.
- 2h 3y ago
  why should Mozilla let Microsoft or anyone else dictate what they support? I agree that Windows 7 should be dropped, but only because its quite old, not because Microsoft has dropped support for it. Frankly Windows 7 is better than Windows 11, I think many would agree with that.
  - johannes1234321 3y ago
    Aside from potential security issues newer versions of windows always provide new APIs and changes to old ones. Keeping support requires keeping track of that and testing, which costs resources.
    - nicce 3y ago
      There is actually dilemma about potential security issues; since the development has been stopped, no new features are introduced and hence no new bugs. Windows 7 is quite battle-tested. Can the system be so stable that there aren't security issues anymore? On the other hand, one is too much if it is not fixed. > windows always provide new APIs and changes to old ones I don't think that is visible or significant. Windows changes APIs but always provides backwards compatibility. It is the major reason why it is dominating in many industry areas. You can run Windows 2000 apps in Windows 11.
  - brucethemoose2 3y ago
    > Frankly Windows 7 is better than Windows 11, I think many would agree with that. I would not. Windows 10 has improvements to the compositor, scheduler, settings and seemingly other things that make it faster in many applications, even on low resource systems. It has other features (like HDR, DirectML) that make it far better for some more cutting edge apps. One could argue the "stock" config of Windows 10 and 11 is really trashy... Which is true. But its not really a fair argument, as OEMs loaded Windows 7 systems with bloatware (where Microsoft is doing more of that these days).
    - 2h 3y ago
      > settings is this a joke? ever tried user management with Windows 10/11? its a hellscape of clicking through the Control Panel, the Settings app, and countless crosslinked pages with no rhyme or reason. same for microphone levels. same for device management.
      - HideousKojima 3y ago
        And you still can't open multiple instances of the settings app at the same time. God forbid you want to check your network settings and printer settings at the same time when trying to troubleshoot an issue with a network printer.
      - nicce 3y ago
        Long live the PowerShell. Yes, old control panel was much more manageable. Most of the important settings have been hidden from the end-user these days.
        heywoodlh 3y ago
        I am normally a Linux or MacOS user exclusively, but recently I reinstalled Windows 11 on my somewhat recently purchased Lenovo Yoga 7i. I tried to get as far as I could getting as much of my configuration codified with PowerShell in a git repo[0]. I got really far with it and the end result was super nice, I thought! But a lot of the stuff I wanted was very deeply buried. Also, the defaults that Microsoft assaults Windows users with are insane! I can't believe what Microsoft gets away with. [0] https://github.com/heywoodlh/windows-configs https://github.com/heywoodlh/windows-configs
  - gochi 3y ago
    It's a dependency, and unless you're going to devote resources into testing and proving that support on your own, it doesn't make sense to extend it past what the dependency's support lifecycle is. Which is why most places are dropping W7 this year. Microsoft's last extended security update was this year. The age is kind of irrelevant, if Microsoft wanted to support it for another 5 years, then places like Mozilla would continue as long as people used it.
  - andirk 3y ago
    Windows XP was great. Windows 7 was best. The rest fall short of those two.
- Rebelgecko 3y ago
  If you want to get existential, why should Mozilla support users on any non-free platform? I imagine they're able to justify Windows because of the huge user base justified the additional engineering effort. The blog uses "we're the only browser still supporting Windows 7" as an excuse to stop supporting it, but to me that same sentence is also an opportunity and maybe even a moral argument to keep supporting older hardware/software. If for-profit entities won't do it and Mozilla is all that's left, what happens to those users when Mozilla backs out? This may or may not be relevant with Windows 7, but I think the size of the user base is only loosely linked to the official software EOL. I still use an older MacOS release because software and hardware I depend on don't support newer revisions. Coincidentally Mozilla also just announced ending support for older MacOS versions. It almost seems like they're trying to divert eng resources from browsers to their other projects. Mozilla's strategy is super perplexing to me.
  - wmf 3y ago
    Mozilla "works to ensure the internet remains a public resource that is open and accessible to us all", not to advocate free software.
    - Rebelgecko 3y ago
      Windows 7 users are a subset of "us all". If anything they should be focusing on FF users who don't have any remaining alternative for a modern browser. They're the ones whose internet access is most at risk.
      - wmf 3y ago
        People who refused the free 7 -> 10 upgrade aren't an oppressed minority; they're the infosec equivalent of anti-vaxers. Why should Mozilla support you if you refuse to maintain your computer?
- toast0 3y ago
  Reachable users vs effort to reach them.
- LordShredda 3y ago
  Windows is much more stable than the Linux abi, xorg, or the various spaghetti libraries on unix systems
  - worthless-trash 3y ago
    I keep hearing this, but my experience has been the inverse. I have statically compiled binary here running from RHEL AS 2.1 (2005) running on el7, it would probably run on newer releases I just haven't tried it. I get -all- kinds of bullshit even trying to get a same-age winamp (5.666) working on a modern windows.
    - Dalewyn 3y ago
      I run Winamp on Windows 11 and the only issue I've had thus far is it doesn't behave nicely with screen scaling above 100%. It otherwise runs perfectly fine just like on any other version of Windows.
- eviks 3y ago
  Because they care about their users and don't work for those companies?
pcdoodle 3y ago
Windows 7, what a cozy time to be a developer. The runway is long and your code will run forever...
userbinator 3y ago
Unsupported operating systems receive no security updates and can be dangerous for you to use. I see that the paranoia-FUD pushed by the forced-obsolescence corporate-authoritarianism crowd has infected them too. Looking at how many new vulnerabilities are being found in newer and increasingly complex (often for zero benefit), while at the same time also more user-hostile software, should make you see what they're really trying to do. Software that has been around for a long time has gotten far more bugs beaten out of it than the new stuff, and due to the way the industry is going, it will only get worse. Fortunately there's a huge and growing community which has forked Firefox and continued making functionally-equivalent versions for older OSs. As the old saying goes: "There are known knowns, known unknowns, and unknown unknowns." Look at the truth yourself if you don't (or don't want to) believe: https://www.cvedetails.com/product/112/Microsoft-Windows-95.html?vendor_id=26 https://www.cvedetails.com/product/112/Microsoft-Windows-95.... https://www.cvedetails.com/product/343/Microsoft-Windows-98.html?vendor_id=26 https://www.cvedetails.com/product/343/Microsoft-Windows-98.... https://www.cvedetails.com/product/462/Microsoft-Windows-98se.html?vendor_id=26 https://www.cvedetails.com/product/462/Microsoft-Windows-98s... https://www.cvedetails.com/product/107/Microsoft-Windows-2000.html?vendor_id=26 https://www.cvedetails.com/product/107/Microsoft-Windows-200... https://www.cvedetails.com/product/739/Microsoft-Windows-Xp.html?vendor_id=26 https://www.cvedetails.com/product/739/Microsoft-Windows-Xp.... https://www.cvedetails.com/product/9591/Microsoft-Windows-Vista.html?vendor_id=26 https://www.cvedetails.com/product/9591/Microsoft-Windows-Vi... You can find the stats for (all the different versions of) Windows 10 and 11, and combine the yourself.
- tredre3 3y ago
  I agree that the "BUT WHAT ABOUT UPDATES?!" hysteria is weird [1]. But realistically Windows 7 has a very small user base remaining, and an even smaller part of that uses Firefox. So what do you want Mozilla to do? Keep wasting resources on CI, testing, coding shims for missing OS features, and making releases for the benefit of the 12 people worldwide who depend on the W7+Firefox combination? 1. https://knowyourmeme.com/photos/2202720-coomer https://knowyourmeme.com/photos/2202720-coomer
  - CatWChainsaw 3y ago
slome 3y ago
This allows Mozilla to trim away some of the cruft and have more time available to focus on actually improving Firefox for people living in this day and age. There will always be someone who feels left behind but to me this decision is a no-brainer.
- eviks 3y ago
  There will also be a lot of people actually left behind, but of course there will always be people who don't care about it
  - FreshStart 3y ago
    Goto prepare it for modern users
whoopdedo 3y ago
Windows 7 is 12.9% of Firefox installs and the second most used OS. https://data.firefox.com/dashboard/hardware https://data.firefox.com/dashboard/hardware
- ororroro 3y ago
  3rd most installs. Windows 11 identifies as windows 10 for reasons.
  - Dalewyn 3y ago
    That's because the kernel identifies as NT10.0. Internally it's the same as Windows 10. Similarly, Windows 2000 and XP identify as NT5.0 and 5.1 respectively, and Windows Vista/7/8/8.1 identify as NT6.0, 6.1, 6.2, and 6.3 respectively. Incidentally, this is also why drivers often are cross-compatible along certain Windows versions.
    - XCSme 3y ago
      What does NT stand for?
      - Dalewyn 3y ago
        There are a number of theories and backstories[1], but most commonly it's understood that it once stood for New Technology. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_NT#Naming https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_NT#Naming
- nikanj 3y ago
  Neither Edge nor Chrome support Windows 7, so it's not surprising a lot of Firefox users are on Windows 7 - because the other options are no longer available on Windows 7
  - Gigachad 3y ago
    Steam also dropped windows 7 recently.
jeroenhd 3y ago
For those just reading the headline: Windows 7 users will be able to run Firefox until at least September 2024 through the the Extended Support Release all existing Firefox users on Windows 7/8 will be migrated to. Newer web technologies won't be supported, but the browser will keep receiving security updates for another year.
mrmincent 3y ago
That’s a shame, better give Mitchel Baker a pay rise.
csdreamer7 3y ago
The Firefox data is interesting. It has been years since I daily drove a machine with 8 gigs of RAM which is 33% of their current users. Been even longer since it was a 32 bit machine, which is 15% of their current users. Win7 is the second most OS, followed by MacOS other as third. Linux is one of many at the bottom in the chart despite it being the default in (almost?) every distro. Makes me wonder what kind of profile is the common Firefox user. A corporate shop where the IT head insists on Firefox? The browser you install for your parents and tell them to only use this icon? I have seen FF and Chrome on the free computers at my local library.
- BoorishBears 3y ago
  I think you forgot about the rest of the world where consumerism isn't quite as enabled as you're imagining
- antigonemerlin 3y ago
  Personally on Firefox since I got into an open source. In my relatively short experience developing an open source browser extension, Firefox users are far more active than Chrome users, which makes sense given that for most users, Chrome is a default, while Firefox is a choice. They're much harder to please, but the analogy that comes to mind is that in terms of submitting tickets and issues, they're like the linux of browsers. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18845205 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18845205
Grom_PE 3y ago
That's a shame. Windows 7 is the last good Windows. I'm not convinced that later versions of Windows have some incredibly useful APIs that cannot be called dynamically and need to be used unconditionally. This chase after new APIs also makes the program harder to support in ReactOS and Wine.
- ocdtrekkie 3y ago
  Running a 14 year old operating system in the world we live in today is dangerous and stupid. If you don't like newer Windows, that's fine, don't use Windows. But operating systems that old should be relegated to airgapped machines for historical purposes.
  - akira2501 3y ago
    > Running a 14 year old operating system in the world we live in today is dangerous and stupid. Forcing an upgrade treadmill on your users just to shake them down for a few extra advertising dollars in the world we live in today is dangerous and stupid. > If you don't like newer Windows, that's fine, don't use Windows. I don't believe that Windows 11 was at all necessary to achieve this security nirvana.
    - ocdtrekkie 3y ago
      Well, Windows 10 is necessary currently. At the moment 11 doesn't offer any real improvements above it yet from a security standpoint. But obviously Windows 10 only officially has about two years of life left, though I expect Microsoft to extend it.
  - Dalewyn 3y ago
    >dangerous and stupid. My practical threat model (and presumably most peoples') does not involve any of the threats that updates and patches guard against.
    - asadotzler 3y ago
      drive-by system takeover isn't on your threat list?
dbg31415 3y ago
If this means they'll have more resources to fix the horrible video streaming battery usage from Firefox running on MacOS... great. Intel MBPs battery just goes from 100 to 0 when you stream a video call. Honestly even on an M1 Firefox uses a lot more battery than Chrome or Safari. Makes it hard to recommend Firefox to people. Now... as for people still running an OS from 2009... I don't have any comments on that, other than to say it's really hard to care about what people running a 14 year-old OS want. Imagine all the hardware is pretty much just running on luck at that point. Remember how shitty it was to have to support IE6? And that was only really for like 10 years.
Gigachad 3y ago
It’s FOSS. I’d this affects you, you can always fork it and maintain support yourself.

Why should these projects support things after the companies that make them do? Mozilla doesn’t support old Linux or macOS either.

2h 3y ago
why should Mozilla let Microsoft or anyone else dictate what they support? I agree that Windows 7 should be dropped, but only because its quite old, not because Microsoft has dropped support for it. Frankly Windows 7 is better than Windows 11, I think many would agree with that.
- johannes1234321 3y ago
  Aside from potential security issues newer versions of windows always provide new APIs and changes to old ones. Keeping support requires keeping track of that and testing, which costs resources.
  - nicce 3y ago
    There is actually dilemma about potential security issues; since the development has been stopped, no new features are introduced and hence no new bugs. Windows 7 is quite battle-tested. Can the system be so stable that there aren't security issues anymore? On the other hand, one is too much if it is not fixed. > windows always provide new APIs and changes to old ones I don't think that is visible or significant. Windows changes APIs but always provides backwards compatibility. It is the major reason why it is dominating in many industry areas. You can run Windows 2000 apps in Windows 11.
- brucethemoose2 3y ago
  > Frankly Windows 7 is better than Windows 11, I think many would agree with that. I would not. Windows 10 has improvements to the compositor, scheduler, settings and seemingly other things that make it faster in many applications, even on low resource systems. It has other features (like HDR, DirectML) that make it far better for some more cutting edge apps. One could argue the "stock" config of Windows 10 and 11 is really trashy... Which is true. But its not really a fair argument, as OEMs loaded Windows 7 systems with bloatware (where Microsoft is doing more of that these days).
  - 2h 3y ago
    > settings is this a joke? ever tried user management with Windows 10/11? its a hellscape of clicking through the Control Panel, the Settings app, and countless crosslinked pages with no rhyme or reason. same for microphone levels. same for device management.
    - HideousKojima 3y ago
      And you still can't open multiple instances of the settings app at the same time. God forbid you want to check your network settings and printer settings at the same time when trying to troubleshoot an issue with a network printer.
    - nicce 3y ago
      Long live the PowerShell. Yes, old control panel was much more manageable. Most of the important settings have been hidden from the end-user these days.
      - heywoodlh 3y ago
        I am normally a Linux or MacOS user exclusively, but recently I reinstalled Windows 11 on my somewhat recently purchased Lenovo Yoga 7i. I tried to get as far as I could getting as much of my configuration codified with PowerShell in a git repo[0]. I got really far with it and the end result was super nice, I thought! But a lot of the stuff I wanted was very deeply buried. Also, the defaults that Microsoft assaults Windows users with are insane! I can't believe what Microsoft gets away with. [0] https://github.com/heywoodlh/windows-configs https://github.com/heywoodlh/windows-configs
- gochi 3y ago
  It's a dependency, and unless you're going to devote resources into testing and proving that support on your own, it doesn't make sense to extend it past what the dependency's support lifecycle is. Which is why most places are dropping W7 this year. Microsoft's last extended security update was this year. The age is kind of irrelevant, if Microsoft wanted to support it for another 5 years, then places like Mozilla would continue as long as people used it.
- andirk 3y ago
  Windows XP was great. Windows 7 was best. The rest fall short of those two.
Rebelgecko 3y ago
If you want to get existential, why should Mozilla support users on any non-free platform? I imagine they're able to justify Windows because of the huge user base justified the additional engineering effort. The blog uses "we're the only browser still supporting Windows 7" as an excuse to stop supporting it, but to me that same sentence is also an opportunity and maybe even a moral argument to keep supporting older hardware/software. If for-profit entities won't do it and Mozilla is all that's left, what happens to those users when Mozilla backs out? This may or may not be relevant with Windows 7, but I think the size of the user base is only loosely linked to the official software EOL. I still use an older MacOS release because software and hardware I depend on don't support newer revisions. Coincidentally Mozilla also just announced ending support for older MacOS versions. It almost seems like they're trying to divert eng resources from browsers to their other projects. Mozilla's strategy is super perplexing to me.
- wmf 3y ago
  Mozilla "works to ensure the internet remains a public resource that is open and accessible to us all", not to advocate free software.
  - Rebelgecko 3y ago
    Windows 7 users are a subset of "us all". If anything they should be focusing on FF users who don't have any remaining alternative for a modern browser. They're the ones whose internet access is most at risk.
    - wmf 3y ago
      People who refused the free 7 -> 10 upgrade aren't an oppressed minority; they're the infosec equivalent of anti-vaxers. Why should Mozilla support you if you refuse to maintain your computer?
toast0 3y ago
Reachable users vs effort to reach them.
LordShredda 3y ago
Windows is much more stable than the Linux abi, xorg, or the various spaghetti libraries on unix systems
- worthless-trash 3y ago
  I keep hearing this, but my experience has been the inverse. I have statically compiled binary here running from RHEL AS 2.1 (2005) running on el7, it would probably run on newer releases I just haven't tried it. I get -all- kinds of bullshit even trying to get a same-age winamp (5.666) working on a modern windows.
  - Dalewyn 3y ago
    I run Winamp on Windows 11 and the only issue I've had thus far is it doesn't behave nicely with screen scaling above 100%. It otherwise runs perfectly fine just like on any other version of Windows.
eviks 3y ago
Because they care about their users and don't work for those companies?

pcdoodle 3y ago

Windows 7, what a cozy time to be a developer. The runway is long and your code will run forever...

userbinator 3y ago

Unsupported operating systems receive no security updates and can be dangerous for you to use. I see that the paranoia-FUD pushed by the forced-obsolescence corporate-authoritarianism crowd has infected them too. Looking at how many new vulnerabilities are being found in newer and increasingly complex (often for zero benefit), while at the same time also more user-hostile software, should make you see what they're really trying to do. Software that has been around for a long time has gotten far more bugs beaten out of it than the new stuff, and due to the way the industry is going, it will only get worse. Fortunately there's a huge and growing community which has forked Firefox and continued making functionally-equivalent versions for older OSs. As the old saying goes: "There are known knowns, known unknowns, and unknown unknowns." Look at the truth yourself if you don't (or don't want to) believe: https://www.cvedetails.com/product/112/Microsoft-Windows-95.html?vendor_id=26 https://www.cvedetails.com/product/112/Microsoft-Windows-95.... https://www.cvedetails.com/product/343/Microsoft-Windows-98.html?vendor_id=26 https://www.cvedetails.com/product/343/Microsoft-Windows-98.... https://www.cvedetails.com/product/462/Microsoft-Windows-98se.html?vendor_id=26 https://www.cvedetails.com/product/462/Microsoft-Windows-98s... https://www.cvedetails.com/product/107/Microsoft-Windows-2000.html?vendor_id=26 https://www.cvedetails.com/product/107/Microsoft-Windows-200... https://www.cvedetails.com/product/739/Microsoft-Windows-Xp.html?vendor_id=26 https://www.cvedetails.com/product/739/Microsoft-Windows-Xp.... https://www.cvedetails.com/product/9591/Microsoft-Windows-Vista.html?vendor_id=26 https://www.cvedetails.com/product/9591/Microsoft-Windows-Vi... You can find the stats for (all the different versions of) Windows 10 and 11, and combine the yourself.

tredre3 3y ago
I agree that the "BUT WHAT ABOUT UPDATES?!" hysteria is weird [1]. But realistically Windows 7 has a very small user base remaining, and an even smaller part of that uses Firefox. So what do you want Mozilla to do? Keep wasting resources on CI, testing, coding shims for missing OS features, and making releases for the benefit of the 12 people worldwide who depend on the W7+Firefox combination? 1. https://knowyourmeme.com/photos/2202720-coomer https://knowyourmeme.com/photos/2202720-coomer
- CatWChainsaw 3y ago

slome 3y ago

This allows Mozilla to trim away some of the cruft and have more time available to focus on actually improving Firefox for people living in this day and age. There will always be someone who feels left behind but to me this decision is a no-brainer.

eviks 3y ago
There will also be a lot of people actually left behind, but of course there will always be people who don't care about it
- FreshStart 3y ago
  Goto prepare it for modern users

whoopdedo 3y ago

Windows 7 is 12.9% of Firefox installs and the second most used OS. https://data.firefox.com/dashboard/hardware https://data.firefox.com/dashboard/hardware

ororroro 3y ago
3rd most installs. Windows 11 identifies as windows 10 for reasons.
- Dalewyn 3y ago
  That's because the kernel identifies as NT10.0. Internally it's the same as Windows 10. Similarly, Windows 2000 and XP identify as NT5.0 and 5.1 respectively, and Windows Vista/7/8/8.1 identify as NT6.0, 6.1, 6.2, and 6.3 respectively. Incidentally, this is also why drivers often are cross-compatible along certain Windows versions.
  - XCSme 3y ago
    What does NT stand for?
    - Dalewyn 3y ago
      There are a number of theories and backstories[1], but most commonly it's understood that it once stood for New Technology. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_NT#Naming https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_NT#Naming
nikanj 3y ago
Neither Edge nor Chrome support Windows 7, so it's not surprising a lot of Firefox users are on Windows 7 - because the other options are no longer available on Windows 7
- Gigachad 3y ago
  Steam also dropped windows 7 recently.

jeroenhd 3y ago

For those just reading the headline: Windows 7 users will be able to run Firefox until at least September 2024 through the the Extended Support Release all existing Firefox users on Windows 7/8 will be migrated to. Newer web technologies won't be supported, but the browser will keep receiving security updates for another year.

mrmincent 3y ago

That’s a shame, better give Mitchel Baker a pay rise.

csdreamer7 3y ago

The Firefox data is interesting. It has been years since I daily drove a machine with 8 gigs of RAM which is 33% of their current users. Been even longer since it was a 32 bit machine, which is 15% of their current users. Win7 is the second most OS, followed by MacOS other as third. Linux is one of many at the bottom in the chart despite it being the default in (almost?) every distro. Makes me wonder what kind of profile is the common Firefox user. A corporate shop where the IT head insists on Firefox? The browser you install for your parents and tell them to only use this icon? I have seen FF and Chrome on the free computers at my local library.

BoorishBears 3y ago
I think you forgot about the rest of the world where consumerism isn't quite as enabled as you're imagining
antigonemerlin 3y ago
Personally on Firefox since I got into an open source. In my relatively short experience developing an open source browser extension, Firefox users are far more active than Chrome users, which makes sense given that for most users, Chrome is a default, while Firefox is a choice. They're much harder to please, but the analogy that comes to mind is that in terms of submitting tickets and issues, they're like the linux of browsers. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18845205 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18845205

Grom_PE 3y ago

That's a shame. Windows 7 is the last good Windows. I'm not convinced that later versions of Windows have some incredibly useful APIs that cannot be called dynamically and need to be used unconditionally. This chase after new APIs also makes the program harder to support in ReactOS and Wine.

ocdtrekkie 3y ago
Running a 14 year old operating system in the world we live in today is dangerous and stupid. If you don't like newer Windows, that's fine, don't use Windows. But operating systems that old should be relegated to airgapped machines for historical purposes.
- akira2501 3y ago
  > Running a 14 year old operating system in the world we live in today is dangerous and stupid. Forcing an upgrade treadmill on your users just to shake them down for a few extra advertising dollars in the world we live in today is dangerous and stupid. > If you don't like newer Windows, that's fine, don't use Windows. I don't believe that Windows 11 was at all necessary to achieve this security nirvana.
  - ocdtrekkie 3y ago
    Well, Windows 10 is necessary currently. At the moment 11 doesn't offer any real improvements above it yet from a security standpoint. But obviously Windows 10 only officially has about two years of life left, though I expect Microsoft to extend it.
- Dalewyn 3y ago
  >dangerous and stupid. My practical threat model (and presumably most peoples') does not involve any of the threats that updates and patches guard against.
  - asadotzler 3y ago
    drive-by system takeover isn't on your threat list?

dbg31415 3y ago

If this means they'll have more resources to fix the horrible video streaming battery usage from Firefox running on MacOS... great. Intel MBPs battery just goes from 100 to 0 when you stream a video call. Honestly even on an M1 Firefox uses a lot more battery than Chrome or Safari. Makes it hard to recommend Firefox to people. Now... as for people still running an OS from 2009... I don't have any comments on that, other than to say it's really hard to care about what people running a 14 year-old OS want. Imagine all the hardware is pretty much just running on luck at that point. Remember how shitty it was to have to support IE6? And that was only really for like 10 years.

Gigachad 3y ago

It’s FOSS. I’d this affects you, you can always fork it and maintain support yourself.