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Mark Zuckerberg: “We’re moving very slowly” (2012)

27 points by mfiguiere 3y ago

DueDilligence 3y ago
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manojlds 3y ago
"there are no original problems" in this domain is the crux of it with Threads and Elon calling it a copy.
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- Barrin92 3y ago
  Unless Elon thinks he invented the solar panel, the electric motor and the rocket he might as well complain about himself. All entrepreneurial activity is taking something that exists and making it cheaper, nothing wrong with it. Original creations are, by their very definition, spontaneous and discontinuous, if you could plan them they wouldn't be original. If there was a method to originality you could copy it, therefore everything truly original is by necessity accidental. The entire debate about copying is silly.
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davidgerard 3y ago
this is not viewable on the web
- yoavm 3y ago
  Works fine in Firefox for Android.
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ptrrrrrrppr 3y ago
mirror anyone? hangs loading forever
- gouggoug 3y ago
  If you're using firefox with facebook containers you need to allow threads.net to run in the facebook container.
ocal5 3y ago
https://archive.is/MAj1e https://archive.is/MAj1e
mkl95 3y ago
The site's layout is all over the place. I haven't used Twitter for a while, but I don't remember it being that confusing.
- partiallypro 3y ago
  Threads doesn't have a public web interface yet; you can only share Threads and see just that. I'm sure that will change in the near future, but I imagine that is why you're confused.
School-Cotton 3y ago
Non-Threads link: https://www.techemails.com/p/mark-zuckerberg-facebook-move-faster https://www.techemails.com/p/mark-zuckerberg-facebook-move-f...
- habitue 3y ago
  Wow, they cloned twitter so well I didn't even notice it wasn't a Twitter link
RamblingCTO 3y ago
https://twitter.com/TechEmails/status/1550168842378170368 https://twitter.com/TechEmails/status/1550168842378170368
nkuttler 3y ago
Opened in Firefox, nothing (presuambly adblock), openened in chrome, HTTP 429. Haha.
yodsanklai 3y ago
Call me stupid, but what's the message there?
- bo-tao 3y ago
  Copying is good, it has worked for the chinese, we should start copying to move faster
- quadcore 3y ago
  He's pressuring for results with an external example. That way, he gets less of "we cant do that".
troupo 3y ago
While people are complaining about how to see the emails... Zuckerberg is right, and in 10 years since Facebook (or anyone else) has done nothing to address the problem. Or to build similar products. ---- Some quotes: In China there is this strong culture of cloning things quickly and building lots of different products instead of just focusing on one thing at a time. This allows them to plant lots of seeds, and although it yields lower quality products in the short term as they're cloning and the markets are growing quickly... They (Renren) They also have more features than us, including: They have built their own version of Pinterest. In addition to your own timeline, you can have board pages that people can follow. They are tightly integrated into their NF. They have built their own version of Tumblr. Same deal as with their version of Pinterest. They have built their own standalone messenger app, where one key feature is using it like a walkie talkie -- basically like Voxer. Apparently Tencent QQ has also released a Voxer-like app which is really blowing up in China. Renren has also built their own games and they have 6 of the top 10 Chinese games in the iOS app store. They have also built out a full music product where they have licensed all the music in China themselves. They have done some innovative things with commenting, like enabling people to easily fork comment threads to turn them into separate threads if they want.
- pfannkuchen 3y ago
  So basically Jian-Yang’s whiteboard of “new” companies in Silicon Valley?
mongol 3y ago
First time I visited Threads. I thought it was only available using an app and outside EU?
- yodsanklai 3y ago
  this is the web version, readonly
latchkey 3y ago
The mention of Voxer is interesting. https://techcrunch.com/2022/09/22/meta-pay-walkie-talkie-app-maker-voxer-175m-patent-infringement/ https://techcrunch.com/2022/09/22/meta-pay-walkie-talkie-app... https://www.reuters.com/technology/meta-loses-bid-toss-175-mln-verdict-streaming-patent-case-2023-02-22/ https://www.reuters.com/technology/meta-loses-bid-toss-175-m...
f6v 3y ago
I get this feeling there’s a perceived opportunity of perpetual innovation in social media space. I don’t want to say “everything that can be invented has already been invented”. But I don’t think that underlying technology and society has changed so much there’s going to be a thing that’s going to rival twitter or fb in the next couple years.
- yodsanklai 3y ago
  I'm not so sure. Technology is one thing, but finding the right format for social networks may take many iterations. I find Twitter to be extremely toxic for instance, but there's some value to it. There must be a way to improve this initial idea. Keep the good, and minimize trolls and hate speech, and encourage people to stay courteous. Same thing for Facebook.
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- notatoad 3y ago
  > everything that can be invented has already been invented From a technology perspective I think this is broadly correct - these are essentially just crud apps, there’s nothing new. (i know there's plenty of cool tech around scaling it to billions of users, just not in the core functionality) But in addition to being technology products, these apps are entertainment products. And as long as people have the capacity to get bored, there will be continued opportunity to innovate on the entertainment experience. It doesn’t even have to be novel, just recycle some app ideas from ten years ago. I’m sure vine will be back soon.
carlossouza 3y ago
Curiously, Facebook announced buying Instagram a few weeks after this email. And Instagram, under Facebook's leadership, apparently adopted Renren's "strong culture of cloning things" to the letter: first targeting Snapchat (2015-16), and now targeting Twitter... Or as someone replied below: > "I personally am pretty in favor of this approach in life generally... I would love to be far more aggressive and nimble in copying competitors at the interface / last mile level"
- PartiallyTyped 3y ago
  Even here, Meta is famous for moving very fast compared to rest of FAANG outside Netflix.
- djkivi 3y ago
  Don’t forget Tik Tok with Reels.
FunnyLookinHat 3y ago
429... Hilarious.
gardenhedge 3y ago
Clicking the logo just toggles dark and light mode. Lol which designer thought of that?
- red2awn 3y ago
  Probably cloned from China.
10g1k 3y ago
Zuckerberg stole facebook from his college friends. He was taken to court over it, and settled. His metaverse VR world was a lame copy of Second Life. Now he's done a copy/paste of twitter. The guy has never had an original thought in his life.
gloryjulio 3y ago
Interesting that renren died long time ago. Wondering if anyone could post an analysis of that

27 points by mfiguiere 3y ago

DueDilligence 3y ago

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manojlds 3y ago

"there are no original problems" in this domain is the crux of it with Threads and Elon calling it a copy.

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Barrin92 3y ago
Unless Elon thinks he invented the solar panel, the electric motor and the rocket he might as well complain about himself. All entrepreneurial activity is taking something that exists and making it cheaper, nothing wrong with it. Original creations are, by their very definition, spontaneous and discontinuous, if you could plan them they wouldn't be original. If there was a method to originality you could copy it, therefore everything truly original is by necessity accidental. The entire debate about copying is silly.
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  [deleted]

davidgerard 3y ago

this is not viewable on the web

yoavm 3y ago
Works fine in Firefox for Android.
deleted 3y ago
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ptrrrrrrppr 3y ago

mirror anyone? hangs loading forever

gouggoug 3y ago
If you're using firefox with facebook containers you need to allow threads.net to run in the facebook container.

ocal5 3y ago

https://archive.is/MAj1e https://archive.is/MAj1e

mkl95 3y ago

The site's layout is all over the place. I haven't used Twitter for a while, but I don't remember it being that confusing.

partiallypro 3y ago
Threads doesn't have a public web interface yet; you can only share Threads and see just that. I'm sure that will change in the near future, but I imagine that is why you're confused.

School-Cotton 3y ago

Non-Threads link: https://www.techemails.com/p/mark-zuckerberg-facebook-move-faster https://www.techemails.com/p/mark-zuckerberg-facebook-move-f...

habitue 3y ago
Wow, they cloned twitter so well I didn't even notice it wasn't a Twitter link

RamblingCTO 3y ago

https://twitter.com/TechEmails/status/1550168842378170368 https://twitter.com/TechEmails/status/1550168842378170368

nkuttler 3y ago

Opened in Firefox, nothing (presuambly adblock), openened in chrome, HTTP 429. Haha.

yodsanklai 3y ago

Call me stupid, but what's the message there?

bo-tao 3y ago
Copying is good, it has worked for the chinese, we should start copying to move faster
quadcore 3y ago
He's pressuring for results with an external example. That way, he gets less of "we cant do that".

troupo 3y ago

While people are complaining about how to see the emails... Zuckerberg is right, and in 10 years since Facebook (or anyone else) has done nothing to address the problem. Or to build similar products. ---- Some quotes: In China there is this strong culture of cloning things quickly and building lots of different products instead of just focusing on one thing at a time. This allows them to plant lots of seeds, and although it yields lower quality products in the short term as they're cloning and the markets are growing quickly... They (Renren) They also have more features than us, including: They have built their own version of Pinterest. In addition to your own timeline, you can have board pages that people can follow. They are tightly integrated into their NF. They have built their own version of Tumblr. Same deal as with their version of Pinterest. They have built their own standalone messenger app, where one key feature is using it like a walkie talkie -- basically like Voxer. Apparently Tencent QQ has also released a Voxer-like app which is really blowing up in China. Renren has also built their own games and they have 6 of the top 10 Chinese games in the iOS app store. They have also built out a full music product where they have licensed all the music in China themselves. They have done some innovative things with commenting, like enabling people to easily fork comment threads to turn them into separate threads if they want.

pfannkuchen 3y ago
So basically Jian-Yang’s whiteboard of “new” companies in Silicon Valley?

mongol 3y ago

First time I visited Threads. I thought it was only available using an app and outside EU?

yodsanklai 3y ago
this is the web version, readonly

latchkey 3y ago

The mention of Voxer is interesting. https://techcrunch.com/2022/09/22/meta-pay-walkie-talkie-app-maker-voxer-175m-patent-infringement/ https://techcrunch.com/2022/09/22/meta-pay-walkie-talkie-app... https://www.reuters.com/technology/meta-loses-bid-toss-175-mln-verdict-streaming-patent-case-2023-02-22/ https://www.reuters.com/technology/meta-loses-bid-toss-175-m...

f6v 3y ago

I get this feeling there’s a perceived opportunity of perpetual innovation in social media space. I don’t want to say “everything that can be invented has already been invented”. But I don’t think that underlying technology and society has changed so much there’s going to be a thing that’s going to rival twitter or fb in the next couple years.

yodsanklai 3y ago
I'm not so sure. Technology is one thing, but finding the right format for social networks may take many iterations. I find Twitter to be extremely toxic for instance, but there's some value to it. There must be a way to improve this initial idea. Keep the good, and minimize trolls and hate speech, and encourage people to stay courteous. Same thing for Facebook.
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notatoad 3y ago
> everything that can be invented has already been invented From a technology perspective I think this is broadly correct - these are essentially just crud apps, there’s nothing new. (i know there's plenty of cool tech around scaling it to billions of users, just not in the core functionality) But in addition to being technology products, these apps are entertainment products. And as long as people have the capacity to get bored, there will be continued opportunity to innovate on the entertainment experience. It doesn’t even have to be novel, just recycle some app ideas from ten years ago. I’m sure vine will be back soon.

carlossouza 3y ago

Curiously, Facebook announced buying Instagram a few weeks after this email. And Instagram, under Facebook's leadership, apparently adopted Renren's "strong culture of cloning things" to the letter: first targeting Snapchat (2015-16), and now targeting Twitter... Or as someone replied below: > "I personally am pretty in favor of this approach in life generally... I would love to be far more aggressive and nimble in copying competitors at the interface / last mile level"

PartiallyTyped 3y ago
Even here, Meta is famous for moving very fast compared to rest of FAANG outside Netflix.
djkivi 3y ago
Don’t forget Tik Tok with Reels.

FunnyLookinHat 3y ago

429... Hilarious.

gardenhedge 3y ago

Clicking the logo just toggles dark and light mode. Lol which designer thought of that?

red2awn 3y ago
Probably cloned from China.

10g1k 3y ago

Zuckerberg stole facebook from his college friends. He was taken to court over it, and settled. His metaverse VR world was a lame copy of Second Life. Now he's done a copy/paste of twitter. The guy has never had an original thought in his life.

gloryjulio 3y ago

Interesting that renren died long time ago. Wondering if anyone could post an analysis of that