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Hmm, I have flagged like 15-20 submissions, maybe 3 intentionally... A confirm dialog may help.

codetrotter 3y ago
I intentionally flag posts sometimes. I think a free-form text input for reason would be nice. No one even has to read the reason most of the time. Providing a reason for flagging serves multiple purposes: - makes it so that you don’t accidentally flag something when you don’t mean to - discourages overly aggressive flagging - in some cases the reason for flagging might be more subtle. So casual review of flagged posts by mods might miss the subtle reason it is being flagged by people. If we explicitly state the reason, it can help mods see why a post is being flagged by people in such situations
- redbell 3y ago
  > discourages overly aggressive flagging I recently posted a tweet from pg [0] and as it starts getting some momentum, suddenly got flagged by someone who believes it is paywalled because Twitter rolled out the must-be-logged-to-view feature. It got unfairly flagged despite I provided the full tweet as a comment. _______________ 0. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36563683 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36563683
  - plorkyeran 3y ago
    It may also have been flagged simply because pg tweeting yet again about Musk is one of the least interesting submissions possible.
  - tredre3 3y ago
    > It got unfairly flagged despite I provided the full tweet as a comment. Is it really unfair? Your link isn't accessible to a non-insignificant portion of the HN audience, therefore it seems reasonable to flag it. It isn't reasonable to expect/force people to read comments before flagging content for being inaccessible.
    - halfdan 3y ago
      I think you misread the latter part of the sentence - OP said they provided the raw text in a comment. This is no different than some other paywalled articles posted here where the first comment usually just links to the web archive for a non-paywalled version.
xoa 3y ago
>A confirm dialog may help. I'm not really a fan of dialogs in flow if it can be avoided, at least not without trying other indicators first, but I would agree some UX experimentation might be worthwhile. Like rather then have it simply go to "unflag", a two letter difference purely in gray, also have it turn bold/bright red for an hour? At least as an option? I just tried playing with the CSS and flagging/unflagging your post, and setting [unflag] to color:red;font-weight:bold makes a real difference without being obnoxious.
- kelnos 3y ago
  Another option would be to add more statuses. When a comment gets enough flags, it gets "[flagged]" added to the top of it. Perhaps something like "[you flagged]" could help.
  - nmstoker 3y ago
    I suppose you could change further aspects of the current behaviour, but the issue with that idea is that the flagged items disappear currently, so you wouldn't get to see the "[you flagged]" entry, unless you got to the comments page for it via some other means (eg jumping to it from your browser history)
    - kelnos 3y ago
      Ah, good call. I have "showdead" enabled, so I see flagged/dead entries, and didn't think of this. (I do actually often enough find dead comments that IMO deserve to be seen, and vouch for them.) When you flag something, does it disappear immediately, or only if it's received enough flags to be killed? If the latter, then I think this is much less of a problem. Sure, you may have flagged it by accident, but if it was only one flag away from being killed, it'd probably end up getting intentionally flagged again by someone else soon enough.
      - nmstoker 3y ago
        Sorry, I may have got this wrong! I honestly thought they got removed but it looks like this isn't happening for me (at least not right away), unless it's the scenario you mention where it's only one away from being killed. I think I must have been conflating the behaviour for hide with flag.
matsemann 3y ago
My 9-10 pages of flagged comments seem mostly good, almost all of them are dead and things I think I intentionally flagged. My 3 pages of flagged submissions seems a bit more random. Perhaps I don't remember the reason just skimming through, but some of them are certainly accidental.
- sshine 3y ago
  I had 4 out of 4 accidental flagged submissions.
- kelnos 3y ago
  My list of flagged submissions is more or less like yours. I think the reason is that I flag things that I don't want to see on HN (not just that I don't care about them, but that I think some topics or specific articles are harmful/toxic to a community), which is often contrary to what many other HN readers think. There's no downvote button on submissions, so there's no other way for me to give that signal. For comments, I usually only flag when people are egregiously violating site guidelines or are just being dicks in general, and I think most other potential flaggers often agree with my flags in those cases, and pile on. If I just think that a comment doesn't add anything substantive, I'll merely downvote. I'll also downvote if I strongly disagree with someone's position, after reading an older post on HN from pg saying that's an accepted use for downvotes[0]. I'm still somewhat torn on this, as I'm not sure a nearly 15-year-old post on policy (from someone who seems not to be much involved with HN these days) should still be considered authoritative, as community norms change over time. I also don't love that using downvotes to express disagreement also has the effect of hiding contrary opinions, which can often hold a lot of value. So I try to reserve my disagreement downvotes for cases where I believe I have evidence the poster is objectively wrong about what they're saying. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=658691 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=658691
- maxerickson 3y ago
  One thing that is hard with submissions is duplicates. Reasonable to flag, hard to identify later.
toomuchtodo 3y ago
I would like the ability to disable flagging for my account. Too easy to accidentally flag when scrolling. Or perhaps only offer flagging when you’re on a thread or viewing an individual comment.

I intentionally flag posts sometimes. I think a free-form text input for reason would be nice. No one even has to read the reason most of the time. Providing a reason for flagging serves multiple purposes: - makes it so that you don’t accidentally flag something when you don’t mean to - discourages overly aggressive flagging - in some cases the reason for flagging might be more subtle. So casual review of flagged posts by mods might miss the subtle reason it is being flagged by people. If we explicitly state the reason, it can help mods see why a post is being flagged by people in such situations

redbell 3y ago
> discourages overly aggressive flagging I recently posted a tweet from pg [0] and as it starts getting some momentum, suddenly got flagged by someone who believes it is paywalled because Twitter rolled out the must-be-logged-to-view feature. It got unfairly flagged despite I provided the full tweet as a comment. _______________ 0. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36563683 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36563683
- plorkyeran 3y ago
  It may also have been flagged simply because pg tweeting yet again about Musk is one of the least interesting submissions possible.
- tredre3 3y ago
  > It got unfairly flagged despite I provided the full tweet as a comment. Is it really unfair? Your link isn't accessible to a non-insignificant portion of the HN audience, therefore it seems reasonable to flag it. It isn't reasonable to expect/force people to read comments before flagging content for being inaccessible.
  - halfdan 3y ago
    I think you misread the latter part of the sentence - OP said they provided the raw text in a comment. This is no different than some other paywalled articles posted here where the first comment usually just links to the web archive for a non-paywalled version.

xoa 3y ago

>A confirm dialog may help. I'm not really a fan of dialogs in flow if it can be avoided, at least not without trying other indicators first, but I would agree some UX experimentation might be worthwhile. Like rather then have it simply go to "unflag", a two letter difference purely in gray, also have it turn bold/bright red for an hour? At least as an option? I just tried playing with the CSS and flagging/unflagging your post, and setting [unflag] to color:red;font-weight:bold makes a real difference without being obnoxious.

kelnos 3y ago
Another option would be to add more statuses. When a comment gets enough flags, it gets "[flagged]" added to the top of it. Perhaps something like "[you flagged]" could help.
- nmstoker 3y ago
  I suppose you could change further aspects of the current behaviour, but the issue with that idea is that the flagged items disappear currently, so you wouldn't get to see the "[you flagged]" entry, unless you got to the comments page for it via some other means (eg jumping to it from your browser history)
  - kelnos 3y ago
    Ah, good call. I have "showdead" enabled, so I see flagged/dead entries, and didn't think of this. (I do actually often enough find dead comments that IMO deserve to be seen, and vouch for them.) When you flag something, does it disappear immediately, or only if it's received enough flags to be killed? If the latter, then I think this is much less of a problem. Sure, you may have flagged it by accident, but if it was only one flag away from being killed, it'd probably end up getting intentionally flagged again by someone else soon enough.
    - nmstoker 3y ago
      Sorry, I may have got this wrong! I honestly thought they got removed but it looks like this isn't happening for me (at least not right away), unless it's the scenario you mention where it's only one away from being killed. I think I must have been conflating the behaviour for hide with flag.

matsemann 3y ago

My 9-10 pages of flagged comments seem mostly good, almost all of them are dead and things I think I intentionally flagged. My 3 pages of flagged submissions seems a bit more random. Perhaps I don't remember the reason just skimming through, but some of them are certainly accidental.

sshine 3y ago
I had 4 out of 4 accidental flagged submissions.
kelnos 3y ago
My list of flagged submissions is more or less like yours. I think the reason is that I flag things that I don't want to see on HN (not just that I don't care about them, but that I think some topics or specific articles are harmful/toxic to a community), which is often contrary to what many other HN readers think. There's no downvote button on submissions, so there's no other way for me to give that signal. For comments, I usually only flag when people are egregiously violating site guidelines or are just being dicks in general, and I think most other potential flaggers often agree with my flags in those cases, and pile on. If I just think that a comment doesn't add anything substantive, I'll merely downvote. I'll also downvote if I strongly disagree with someone's position, after reading an older post on HN from pg saying that's an accepted use for downvotes[0]. I'm still somewhat torn on this, as I'm not sure a nearly 15-year-old post on policy (from someone who seems not to be much involved with HN these days) should still be considered authoritative, as community norms change over time. I also don't love that using downvotes to express disagreement also has the effect of hiding contrary opinions, which can often hold a lot of value. So I try to reserve my disagreement downvotes for cases where I believe I have evidence the poster is objectively wrong about what they're saying. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=658691 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=658691
maxerickson 3y ago
One thing that is hard with submissions is duplicates. Reasonable to flag, hard to identify later.

toomuchtodo 3y ago

I would like the ability to disable flagging for my account. Too easy to accidentally flag when scrolling. Or perhaps only offer flagging when you’re on a thread or viewing an individual comment.