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> is like saying that Android manufactures can sell more $50 unsubsidized phones than Apple. Is that a wrong statement? Do they not effectively stop Apple from

> is like saying that Android manufactures can sell more $50 unsubsidized phones than Apple. Is that a wrong statement? Do they not effectively stop Apple from penetrating every non-US market in the world?

scarface_74 3y ago
People who are buying a $60 unsubsidized phone are not going to all the sudden be able to afford a $400+ iPhone. Apple has never in 40+ years catered toward the low end.
- smoldesu 3y ago
  People who are priced out of an iPhone Pro are not going to take out a loan to pay for a headset they'll use like a game console. If they're not replacing their iPhone with it, there's no point in buying it. It's a product that inherently relies on an ecosystem (albeit a strong one) to survive. Much like the iPad and the Apple Watch, if the iPhone and it's app ecosystem didn't exist it would be DOA. So... assuming you're right, who is this headset for? People inside the ecosystem, who want to spend more money on Apple products but don't need it for anything particularly useful? I wager more iPhone users will own Quest headsets than Apple-branded ones by 2025.
  - scarface_74 3y ago
    > People who are priced out of an iPhone Pro are not going to take out a loan to pay for a headset they'll use like a game console Yet people take out 0% interest loans from Apple to buy $3000* laptops? Besides, in most countries, people tend to pay cash for phones and carriers don’t offer payment plans. > with it, there's no point in buying it. It's a product that inherently relies on an ecosystem (albeit a strong one) to survive You mean like you can’t use an Apple Watch at all without an iPhone paired to it initially - not even the cellular Apple Watch and I doubt very many people are buying AirPods that don’t own Apple devices. The main value add over other BT headsets is the tight integration. > Much like the iPad and the Apple Watch, if the iPhone and its app ecosystem didn't exist it would be DOA. But the iPhone does exist and Apple’s services revenue from selling to existing users is larger than its revenue from the Mac and iPad revenue combined. To a first approximation, no one buys Apple Watches for its third party app ecosystem. Most use it for notifications from the phone, for workouts using first party apps and for times when they don’t want to have their phones on them like running or other exercise > I wager more iPhone users will own Quest headsets than Apple-branded ones by 2025. And more iPod users and iPhone users own Windows PCs.

scarface_74 3y ago

People who are buying a $60 unsubsidized phone are not going to all the sudden be able to afford a $400+ iPhone. Apple has never in 40+ years catered toward the low end.

smoldesu 3y ago
People who are priced out of an iPhone Pro are not going to take out a loan to pay for a headset they'll use like a game console. If they're not replacing their iPhone with it, there's no point in buying it. It's a product that inherently relies on an ecosystem (albeit a strong one) to survive. Much like the iPad and the Apple Watch, if the iPhone and it's app ecosystem didn't exist it would be DOA. So... assuming you're right, who is this headset for? People inside the ecosystem, who want to spend more money on Apple products but don't need it for anything particularly useful? I wager more iPhone users will own Quest headsets than Apple-branded ones by 2025.
- scarface_74 3y ago
  > People who are priced out of an iPhone Pro are not going to take out a loan to pay for a headset they'll use like a game console Yet people take out 0% interest loans from Apple to buy $3000* laptops? Besides, in most countries, people tend to pay cash for phones and carriers don’t offer payment plans. > with it, there's no point in buying it. It's a product that inherently relies on an ecosystem (albeit a strong one) to survive You mean like you can’t use an Apple Watch at all without an iPhone paired to it initially - not even the cellular Apple Watch and I doubt very many people are buying AirPods that don’t own Apple devices. The main value add over other BT headsets is the tight integration. > Much like the iPad and the Apple Watch, if the iPhone and its app ecosystem didn't exist it would be DOA. But the iPhone does exist and Apple’s services revenue from selling to existing users is larger than its revenue from the Mac and iPad revenue combined. To a first approximation, no one buys Apple Watches for its third party app ecosystem. Most use it for notifications from the phone, for workouts using first party apps and for times when they don’t want to have their phones on them like running or other exercise > I wager more iPhone users will own Quest headsets than Apple-branded ones by 2025. And more iPod users and iPhone users own Windows PCs.