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> No idea why I want all this misery of competing, stress, exposure, running all the time etc etc. Have you ever run a business before? The belief that you can

> No idea why I want all this misery of competing, stress, exposure, running all the time etc etc. Have you ever run a business before? The belief that you can build a business without dealing with competition is a myth. Having a successful company requires picking your poison. Non-VC is a different poison than VC, and I do agree that it is a much better approach for far more many businesses. But make no mistake, having a company with "no stress and making millions for all to live" is not a realistic goal. There is no free lunch in the world of business. Competition is everywhere. You can either ignore it or embrace it.

anonzzzies 3y ago
> Have you ever run a business before? Only 30 years. You? Not mean to be as snarky, but this US all or nothing stuff is getting on my nerves just a bit. I came from a simple background, but in a country with free education, so I got a degree in uni, opened a company in high school, all without too much risk. Didn’t need to work myself to death, didn’t have much stress, didn’t need VCs and make more than most here who seem to be dying of stress, lack of proper healthcare, free education etc etc. My clients like I have no funding and that I have enough money yet want to keep working as I like it.
- yowlingcat 3y ago
  I've been building startups successfully for a decade, but they are US based. So you got me there. There are many self proclaimed dropshipping millionaires on the the internet selling courses while living the good life in Bali, overleveraged to the gills, living off of credit card debt, desperately hoping the courses they sell as a grift somehow can be ponzied to the next fool before the whole thing collapses. So that's always my assumption when people discuss something in business that seems too good to be true. But maybe you are correct. Perhaps my US all or nothing priors have closed my mind. What kind of business do you run that can be done without too much risk, how does it make money, and what country do you operate out of? I am genuinely curious and I would like to be prove my priors wrong, if possible. They're not particularly pleasant priors, as you might imagine.
- jwr 3y ago
  Very similar experience here. Anonzzzies is not a unicorn outlier :-)
- ilrwbwrkhv 3y ago
  I agree with you completely. Due to the whole business media world spreading these lies, people think business is all us vs them and competition is for losers. You can make very good income ($4 million profits / annum) in my case while coexisting with competition and having lots of fun.

anonzzzies 3y ago

> Have you ever run a business before? Only 30 years. You? Not mean to be as snarky, but this US all or nothing stuff is getting on my nerves just a bit. I came from a simple background, but in a country with free education, so I got a degree in uni, opened a company in high school, all without too much risk. Didn’t need to work myself to death, didn’t have much stress, didn’t need VCs and make more than most here who seem to be dying of stress, lack of proper healthcare, free education etc etc. My clients like I have no funding and that I have enough money yet want to keep working as I like it.

yowlingcat 3y ago
I've been building startups successfully for a decade, but they are US based. So you got me there. There are many self proclaimed dropshipping millionaires on the the internet selling courses while living the good life in Bali, overleveraged to the gills, living off of credit card debt, desperately hoping the courses they sell as a grift somehow can be ponzied to the next fool before the whole thing collapses. So that's always my assumption when people discuss something in business that seems too good to be true. But maybe you are correct. Perhaps my US all or nothing priors have closed my mind. What kind of business do you run that can be done without too much risk, how does it make money, and what country do you operate out of? I am genuinely curious and I would like to be prove my priors wrong, if possible. They're not particularly pleasant priors, as you might imagine.
jwr 3y ago
Very similar experience here. Anonzzzies is not a unicorn outlier :-)
ilrwbwrkhv 3y ago
I agree with you completely. Due to the whole business media world spreading these lies, people think business is all us vs them and competition is for losers. You can make very good income ($4 million profits / annum) in my case while coexisting with competition and having lots of fun.