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Ukraine’s Trembita Bomb

26 points by bogle 3y ago

bogle 3y ago
'It’s simple and cheap’: the volunteers making Ukraine’s Trembita bomb
jaclaz 3y ago
About the name, the Trembita is a sort of traditional (very) long horn: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trembita https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trembita
- appleflaxen 3y ago
  The article contains this fact.
mytailorisrich 3y ago
Kudos to The Guardian for choosing to illustrate the article with a picture of the guy wearing a "Who the fuck is Justin Bieber" T-Shirt.
tomohawk 3y ago
> The prototype is Ukraine’s 21st-century answer to the V-1 flying bomb, or doodlebug, the long-range ballistic missile used by Nazi Germany during the second world war against targets in south-east England. The V1 was not a ballistic missile - it was more like a cruise missile. The V2 was a ballistic missile.
- saargrin 3y ago
  they do call it "the people's cruise missile" on their site and twitter
  - tomohawk 3y ago
    I'm just pointing out the Guardian's error.
  - simne 3y ago
    Just nonsense. Some people want cheap attention.
  - simne 3y ago
    Oh yeah, you sure could negate my carma, but imagine what you will say, when these "trembita" will kill American or British civilian in Ukraine. And unfortunately, it is not much threat for Russian military. Iran/Russia use so low tech, just because they already under sanctions, and for them additional sanctions will be negligible. Ukraine totally different case, even brake NATO/EU integration, will kill many Ukrainians, but sanctions will kill Ukraine.
- gus_massa 3y ago
  IIRC the V1 and V2 were unguided, that's enough to cause destructions in cities, but not to destroy specific military targets. My doubt is: Is this new missile guided? (I guess so, but it's strange that the article compare it to a V1.)
  - simne 3y ago
    No. V-1 and V-2 have very bad accuracy, because in 1940s does not exist better. To be exact, standard deviation was about 500meters. I can't remember details about V-1, but for V-2 I read too much to forget. V-2 have analog guidance, azimuth "programmed" just rotating start stand, active part of trajectory curve preprogrammed by programmatic drum (like in washing machine), and total impulse integrated by electrolyte accumulator (precharged before start). And this is when V-1 costs comparable to prop fighter, and V-2 like strategic bomber. Because of these flaws, even Germans don't use they really much, and US just forgot about them. Even Soviets planned to use missiles mostly for air defense and as NUC carriers. But approx in 1980s, with new technologies (mostly, digital computers, but also, high frequency radio and high precision frequency generators, for example atomic time), appear high accuracy navigation systems. For example, claimed accuracy of Minuteman is about 10 meters, and Himars MLRS 1 meter. As example of Himars MLRS usage, attacked bridge near Antonovka Ukraine, made few holes in road, so it become impossible to drive by truck, but pedestrians could pass it. For about "trembita", I'm sure this is just propaganda, because cheapest military grade navigation cost about 10k$, and make 25kg explosive with civilian navigation is just crime. Yes, I know, Iran make drones with 50kg explosives with civilian navigation, but they already got sanctions for this. I don't think, Ukrainian leaders will wait for sanctions if "trembita" will be produced in series, most probably, will just appear few new dudes, jailed "for nothing".
jszymborski 3y ago
It sounds a bit like those pulse jets Colin Furze makes.
71a54xd 3y ago
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- MobiusHorizons 3y ago
  What are you advocating for? Would you ask the Ukrainian population to lay down their arms and suffer war crimes at the hands of the Russian army without resisting? What choice do they have? Speaking for myself as an American who lived in Ukraine for many years, I am glad the US are supporting Ukraine. I am not pro war in general, but the only paths to peace from where we are seen to be through war.
  - 71a54xd 3y ago
    Ukraine isn't even close to "winning" anything. Diplomacy has been fragrantly ignored by the west and ukraine. I dislike russia and yes Putin IS a thug, however there is no metric that indicates ukraine is winning or that a hot war with all of nato would do anything. Again I dislike russia, when I was visiting a friend in russia I was detained and harassed by their border authorities and found the people incredibly rude. That said, they are still entitled to sovereignty. It's also painfully ironic, that in early 2022 we accused russia of "war crimes" for using cluster munitions and this week just signed over hundreds of cluster munitions to ukraine... Crimea and Donbas should be forfeited in a diplomatic matter to settle further tensions. At the very least Zelensky should be replaced with someone who's willing to negotiate. It's sad, however continuing to "fight" will just erase any and all genetic lineage in ukraine. We've also already failed when it comes to "weakening russia" because the west already ran out of artillery ammunition. I don't understand why the only path out of this to you is continued war. Knowing the history of Georgia what happened in Ukraine is not surprising. If anything, this is a failure of American and Western geopolitics.
    - MobiusHorizons 3y ago
      What you are asking for is a fantasy. I have found the explanations and observations of Anders Nielsen to be very insightful. This one especially explains my position. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pJ4JIoGnzc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pJ4JIoGnzc
mynonameaccount 3y ago
These articles should be written after the war ends. Why would you tell the enemy what and how you are doing it?
- simne 3y ago
  Such nonsense information bubbles made for Russian propaganda, to render Ukrainians as bloody terrorists, who made low tech weapons, which will be dangerous only against civilians, but nothing significant for military.
simne 3y ago
This is nonsense. I talked with "inventors", they do not understand, how this weapon dangerous for civilians and how fast they will got sentenced to jail for crime. If something very bad done by Iranian or Russian terrorists, this is not meaning, same done by Ukrainians will be tolerated by US or EU.

26 points by bogle 3y ago

'It’s simple and cheap’: the volunteers making Ukraine’s Trembita bomb

About the name, the Trembita is a sort of traditional (very) long horn: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trembita https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trembita

appleflaxen 3y ago
The article contains this fact.

mytailorisrich 3y ago

Kudos to The Guardian for choosing to illustrate the article with a picture of the guy wearing a "Who the fuck is Justin Bieber" T-Shirt.

tomohawk 3y ago

> The prototype is Ukraine’s 21st-century answer to the V-1 flying bomb, or doodlebug, the long-range ballistic missile used by Nazi Germany during the second world war against targets in south-east England. The V1 was not a ballistic missile - it was more like a cruise missile. The V2 was a ballistic missile.

saargrin 3y ago
they do call it "the people's cruise missile" on their site and twitter
- tomohawk 3y ago
  I'm just pointing out the Guardian's error.
- simne 3y ago
  Just nonsense. Some people want cheap attention.
- simne 3y ago
  Oh yeah, you sure could negate my carma, but imagine what you will say, when these "trembita" will kill American or British civilian in Ukraine. And unfortunately, it is not much threat for Russian military. Iran/Russia use so low tech, just because they already under sanctions, and for them additional sanctions will be negligible. Ukraine totally different case, even brake NATO/EU integration, will kill many Ukrainians, but sanctions will kill Ukraine.
gus_massa 3y ago
IIRC the V1 and V2 were unguided, that's enough to cause destructions in cities, but not to destroy specific military targets. My doubt is: Is this new missile guided? (I guess so, but it's strange that the article compare it to a V1.)
- simne 3y ago
  No. V-1 and V-2 have very bad accuracy, because in 1940s does not exist better. To be exact, standard deviation was about 500meters. I can't remember details about V-1, but for V-2 I read too much to forget. V-2 have analog guidance, azimuth "programmed" just rotating start stand, active part of trajectory curve preprogrammed by programmatic drum (like in washing machine), and total impulse integrated by electrolyte accumulator (precharged before start). And this is when V-1 costs comparable to prop fighter, and V-2 like strategic bomber. Because of these flaws, even Germans don't use they really much, and US just forgot about them. Even Soviets planned to use missiles mostly for air defense and as NUC carriers. But approx in 1980s, with new technologies (mostly, digital computers, but also, high frequency radio and high precision frequency generators, for example atomic time), appear high accuracy navigation systems. For example, claimed accuracy of Minuteman is about 10 meters, and Himars MLRS 1 meter. As example of Himars MLRS usage, attacked bridge near Antonovka Ukraine, made few holes in road, so it become impossible to drive by truck, but pedestrians could pass it. For about "trembita", I'm sure this is just propaganda, because cheapest military grade navigation cost about 10k$, and make 25kg explosive with civilian navigation is just crime. Yes, I know, Iran make drones with 50kg explosives with civilian navigation, but they already got sanctions for this. I don't think, Ukrainian leaders will wait for sanctions if "trembita" will be produced in series, most probably, will just appear few new dudes, jailed "for nothing".

jszymborski 3y ago

It sounds a bit like those pulse jets Colin Furze makes.

71a54xd 3y ago

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MobiusHorizons 3y ago
What are you advocating for? Would you ask the Ukrainian population to lay down their arms and suffer war crimes at the hands of the Russian army without resisting? What choice do they have? Speaking for myself as an American who lived in Ukraine for many years, I am glad the US are supporting Ukraine. I am not pro war in general, but the only paths to peace from where we are seen to be through war.
- 71a54xd 3y ago
  Ukraine isn't even close to "winning" anything. Diplomacy has been fragrantly ignored by the west and ukraine. I dislike russia and yes Putin IS a thug, however there is no metric that indicates ukraine is winning or that a hot war with all of nato would do anything. Again I dislike russia, when I was visiting a friend in russia I was detained and harassed by their border authorities and found the people incredibly rude. That said, they are still entitled to sovereignty. It's also painfully ironic, that in early 2022 we accused russia of "war crimes" for using cluster munitions and this week just signed over hundreds of cluster munitions to ukraine... Crimea and Donbas should be forfeited in a diplomatic matter to settle further tensions. At the very least Zelensky should be replaced with someone who's willing to negotiate. It's sad, however continuing to "fight" will just erase any and all genetic lineage in ukraine. We've also already failed when it comes to "weakening russia" because the west already ran out of artillery ammunition. I don't understand why the only path out of this to you is continued war. Knowing the history of Georgia what happened in Ukraine is not surprising. If anything, this is a failure of American and Western geopolitics.
  - MobiusHorizons 3y ago
    What you are asking for is a fantasy. I have found the explanations and observations of Anders Nielsen to be very insightful. This one especially explains my position. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pJ4JIoGnzc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pJ4JIoGnzc

mynonameaccount 3y ago

These articles should be written after the war ends. Why would you tell the enemy what and how you are doing it?

simne 3y ago
Such nonsense information bubbles made for Russian propaganda, to render Ukrainians as bloody terrorists, who made low tech weapons, which will be dangerous only against civilians, but nothing significant for military.

simne 3y ago

This is nonsense. I talked with "inventors", they do not understand, how this weapon dangerous for civilians and how fast they will got sentenced to jail for crime. If something very bad done by Iranian or Russian terrorists, this is not meaning, same done by Ukrainians will be tolerated by US or EU.