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There's an easy solution but would face extreme opposition though. I think it is hard to argue it would help which is, every driver regardless of situation need

There's an easy solution but would face extreme opposition though. I think it is hard to argue it would help which is, every driver regardless of situation needs to do a practical refresh class. There are ways of making this optional without the uprise of critics who will argue this is some government control. I'd suggest making it optional but having the data available to insurance companies. If it is helpful and reduces the risk of accidents the insurance companies will be the first to adjust rates for those who don't do it. While there could be an argument that this is some sort of inequality of wealth being able to pay their way out that already exists. I'd rather this not be optional but know it'll be drowned out by government in your life banter.

olliej 3y ago
The problem we’re discussing isn’t “not paying attention while driving”, it’s attention fatigue bought on by requiring constant focus but not actually requiring any actions to be taken. The former is “it turned at an intersection without checking for obstacles” which is driver error. The latter is something that we know objectively that people cannot do. For the non-car cases where this occurs we can generally have many factors to ensure a safe outcome even if an emergency does occur when the operators is distracted. For aircraft the emergency outcomes basically have one of two responses, or there is time for the pilot to regain situational awareness (it takes a lot of time for a plane to go from altitude to sea level, for every other emergency the pilot is trained and commercial aircraft often explicitly state the operation to perform - go up or go down. Trains are spaced so that a train can always just apply emergency brakes, and the driver(engineer?) also knows to just brake as well. The problem with the self driving “attention” requirement is because they have chosen not to handle “emergency/failure occurs while driver is not paying attention”, instead they’re saying “you must always pay attention despite that demand being physiologically implausible” which means you get two outcomes: either the product does not work, or you get crashes from self drive disengaging without warning. The former results in people trying to hack around a faulty product, the latter is a liability shift “if the driver was paying attention as required this crash wouldn’t have happened”.

olliej 3y ago

The problem we’re discussing isn’t “not paying attention while driving”, it’s attention fatigue bought on by requiring constant focus but not actually requiring any actions to be taken. The former is “it turned at an intersection without checking for obstacles” which is driver error. The latter is something that we know objectively that people cannot do. For the non-car cases where this occurs we can generally have many factors to ensure a safe outcome even if an emergency does occur when the operators is distracted. For aircraft the emergency outcomes basically have one of two responses, or there is time for the pilot to regain situational awareness (it takes a lot of time for a plane to go from altitude to sea level, for every other emergency the pilot is trained and commercial aircraft often explicitly state the operation to perform - go up or go down. Trains are spaced so that a train can always just apply emergency brakes, and the driver(engineer?) also knows to just brake as well. The problem with the self driving “attention” requirement is because they have chosen not to handle “emergency/failure occurs while driver is not paying attention”, instead they’re saying “you must always pay attention despite that demand being physiologically implausible” which means you get two outcomes: either the product does not work, or you get crashes from self drive disengaging without warning. The former results in people trying to hack around a faulty product, the latter is a liability shift “if the driver was paying attention as required this crash wouldn’t have happened”.