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If you liked this, you'll probably like Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality https://hpmor.com/ https://hpmor.com/

by morsch 3y ago

saulpw 3y ago
If you like a satire, will you probably like that which is being satirized?
- bmacho 3y ago
  If you don't already know the original, then yeah, chances are that you will like it, it has the same theme and genre as the satire.
  - tgv 3y ago
    I've spent years with a child and wife in love with the Harry Potter books, I read them (in Spanish, to improve my understanding; very rational), I've seen the movies, and I must say: the start is certainly good.
- epiccoleman 3y ago
  I mean, sure. I like Harry Potter and I also liked HPMOR. Although imo it goes off the rails in the second half or so and kinda fails to live up to its promise. Satire / parody doesn't necessarily have to be a merciless polemic against the target - and as a matter of fact, it would be pretty hard to read HPMOR and not come away with the feeling that the author was a pretty big Harry Potter fan. Another thing that comes to mind is the horror movie Cabin in the Woods, which sends up lots of horror tropes but is still fun and enjoyable for fans of the genre.
  - ihm 3y ago
    The parent was saying "Superrational" is a satire of HPMOR, not that HPMOR is a satire of Harry Potter.
    - saulpw 3y ago
      Thank you for getting it.
    - epiccoleman 3y ago
      I understood, I was just using one less level of meta parody to make my point. I thought TFA was funny, if not hilarious. I also enjoyed HPMOR. So I'll make my point again, which is that you can like a thing and also like its parody.
      - TehShrike 3y ago
        Word. "Hot Fuzz" is such a great parody of buddy cop movies because it was written by someone who loves buddy cop movies.
Vecr 3y ago
I thought about that, but I don't think it's actually that similar. HPMOR is at least supposed to be educational (though I think that's somewhat dubious [0]). This is basically an in-joke for people who read Thinking Fast and Slow or similar. The character should have talked to someone who was in the military about the importance of high-quality footwear. [0]: Though carrying 4 combat application tourniquets in your clothing at all times is probably a good idea. The part about time pressure and disregarding time-wasting social activities in emergency situations is also reasonable[1], but the characters should have come up with contingency plans and gone over checklists and emergency conditions with the authority figures beforehand to prevent them getting in the way. [1]: i.e. if you got stabbed and are bleeding out, don't tell someone "it's fine" (it's not fine at all) and let them go first because it's "polite".
jacquesm 3y ago
That's mostly just an advert for the cryogenic preservation/upload industry from my reading. AKA the nerds version of the rapture.
- oefnak 3y ago
  An advert for rationalism, yes, but that is a way bigger topic than the things you mentioned.
  - jacquesm 3y ago
    To me that seemed to be the payload. The rest is just window dressing.
- morsch 3y ago
  It's been years since I read it. How does it hype up cryogenic preservation? I don't recall it being a major theme and it doesn't seem to fit into the HP context.
  - asfgisroshnio 3y ago
    You are right that it doesn't fit in. You are wrong that it isn't a major theme. Probably the last third of the book is about cryogenically preserving someone while looking for a way to revive them.
    - morsch 3y ago
      Ok. It's possible I read it before that part of the book was released, but it's equally possible I forgot about the plot.
    - jacquesm 3y ago
      See comment below regarding dementors. When I read those passages it suddenly clicked for me what the whole thing was about. Easy to miss though, it's not as if they are advertising it.
AbrahamParangi 3y ago
I think it's more like this is intended for people who thought hpmor was ridiculous self-insert fan fiction.
asfgisroshnio 3y ago
I liked this story and think HPMoR is the worst thing I've ever read in its entirety. The first few chapters of HPMoR are fine, I suppose. It's pretty lighthearted. But it rapidly devolves into unhinged ranting at extreme length. The last five hundred thousand pages are a vehicle for the "wisdom" of one of the most insufferable, unjustifiably arrogant, and misinformed people to ever draw breath. Just go read Elon Musk's Twitter feed. Same experience, whole lot shorter.
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pas 3y ago
the fist few chapters are interesting, but then! it's meh. https://danluu.com/su3su2u1/hpmor https://danluu.com/su3su2u1/hpmor tl;dr the science is bad, the writing is bad, the pedagogy/didactics is atrocious. (interesting tangent https://shatterzone.substack.com/p/rationalist-harry-potter-and-the https://shatterzone.substack.com/p/rationalist-harry-potter-... )
- tgv 3y ago
  Wait ... it's not a stab at rationality? It had me LOLing at the ridiculousness. I thought it was in the same vain as the OP.

If you liked this, you'll probably like Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality https://hpmor.com/ https://hpmor.com/

by morsch 3y ago

If you liked this, you'll probably like Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality https://hpmor.com/ https://hpmor.com/

saulpw 3y ago

If you like a satire, will you probably like that which is being satirized?

bmacho 3y ago
If you don't already know the original, then yeah, chances are that you will like it, it has the same theme and genre as the satire.
- tgv 3y ago
  I've spent years with a child and wife in love with the Harry Potter books, I read them (in Spanish, to improve my understanding; very rational), I've seen the movies, and I must say: the start is certainly good.
epiccoleman 3y ago
I mean, sure. I like Harry Potter and I also liked HPMOR. Although imo it goes off the rails in the second half or so and kinda fails to live up to its promise. Satire / parody doesn't necessarily have to be a merciless polemic against the target - and as a matter of fact, it would be pretty hard to read HPMOR and not come away with the feeling that the author was a pretty big Harry Potter fan. Another thing that comes to mind is the horror movie Cabin in the Woods, which sends up lots of horror tropes but is still fun and enjoyable for fans of the genre.
- ihm 3y ago
  The parent was saying "Superrational" is a satire of HPMOR, not that HPMOR is a satire of Harry Potter.
  - saulpw 3y ago
    Thank you for getting it.
  - epiccoleman 3y ago
    I understood, I was just using one less level of meta parody to make my point. I thought TFA was funny, if not hilarious. I also enjoyed HPMOR. So I'll make my point again, which is that you can like a thing and also like its parody.
    - TehShrike 3y ago
      Word. "Hot Fuzz" is such a great parody of buddy cop movies because it was written by someone who loves buddy cop movies.

Vecr 3y ago

I thought about that, but I don't think it's actually that similar. HPMOR is at least supposed to be educational (though I think that's somewhat dubious [0]). This is basically an in-joke for people who read Thinking Fast and Slow or similar. The character should have talked to someone who was in the military about the importance of high-quality footwear. [0]: Though carrying 4 combat application tourniquets in your clothing at all times is probably a good idea. The part about time pressure and disregarding time-wasting social activities in emergency situations is also reasonable[1], but the characters should have come up with contingency plans and gone over checklists and emergency conditions with the authority figures beforehand to prevent them getting in the way. [1]: i.e. if you got stabbed and are bleeding out, don't tell someone "it's fine" (it's not fine at all) and let them go first because it's "polite".

jacquesm 3y ago

That's mostly just an advert for the cryogenic preservation/upload industry from my reading. AKA the nerds version of the rapture.

oefnak 3y ago
An advert for rationalism, yes, but that is a way bigger topic than the things you mentioned.
- jacquesm 3y ago
  To me that seemed to be the payload. The rest is just window dressing.
morsch 3y ago
It's been years since I read it. How does it hype up cryogenic preservation? I don't recall it being a major theme and it doesn't seem to fit into the HP context.
- asfgisroshnio 3y ago
  You are right that it doesn't fit in. You are wrong that it isn't a major theme. Probably the last third of the book is about cryogenically preserving someone while looking for a way to revive them.
  - morsch 3y ago
    Ok. It's possible I read it before that part of the book was released, but it's equally possible I forgot about the plot.
  - jacquesm 3y ago
    See comment below regarding dementors. When I read those passages it suddenly clicked for me what the whole thing was about. Easy to miss though, it's not as if they are advertising it.

AbrahamParangi 3y ago

I think it's more like this is intended for people who thought hpmor was ridiculous self-insert fan fiction.

asfgisroshnio 3y ago

I liked this story and think HPMoR is the worst thing I've ever read in its entirety. The first few chapters of HPMoR are fine, I suppose. It's pretty lighthearted. But it rapidly devolves into unhinged ranting at extreme length. The last five hundred thousand pages are a vehicle for the "wisdom" of one of the most insufferable, unjustifiably arrogant, and misinformed people to ever draw breath. Just go read Elon Musk's Twitter feed. Same experience, whole lot shorter.

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pas 3y ago

the fist few chapters are interesting, but then! it's meh. https://danluu.com/su3su2u1/hpmor https://danluu.com/su3su2u1/hpmor tl;dr the science is bad, the writing is bad, the pedagogy/didactics is atrocious. (interesting tangent https://shatterzone.substack.com/p/rationalist-harry-potter-and-the https://shatterzone.substack.com/p/rationalist-harry-potter-... )

tgv 3y ago
Wait ... it's not a stab at rationality? It had me LOLing at the ridiculousness. I thought it was in the same vain as the OP.