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It'll be so (ironically?) funny if AI becomes able to practically generate good quality stories (along with the matching generated video and audio / subs), afte

It'll be so (ironically?) funny if AI becomes able to practically generate good quality stories (along with the matching generated video and audio / subs), after being trained exclusively on Manga and Anime content. That'd all be legal too, as the Japanese gov has categorically stated that copyright doesn't exist on the source material when used to train AI. Not sure if there would even need to be royalties payable for generated Anime characters that happen to look like existing IP. Nintendo would absolutely go bonkers. I kind of can't wait. :D

kmeisthax 3y ago
The only thing Japan has done is adopt the TDM exceptions that the EU has. In the US the only certainty we have is that text-to-image AI art generation is not a creative process and thus does not accrue copyright on its own. That being said - and, again, sticking with US law - if your AI generated an anime character that looks like an existing character, and that character was either in the training set or described in your prompt, then you'd have an open and shut case. Otherwise it'd be considered a happy accident. That's also the standard for non-AI art as well. It's called "access and substantial similarity." I fully expect Nintendo to privately tell all their licensed developers not to use AI art generators. Actually, boycotting is probably going to be the most effective solution from the perspective of human artists who don't want their job being turned into SEO keyword stuffing[0]. While AI art proponents think that progress is inevitable, the reality of it is that in order for the AI generators to "get better", we need bigger models and more research, both of which are resting on exponential price curves. So if human artists as a class decide they aren't going to use AI, then AI will always be relegated to "second best", even if we can always finetune on those human artists' work. [0] No seriously I think this is what human artists actually fear. It's one thing to point out that they're being put on a treadmill to train the bot that will replace them. But a lot of artists seem to hate the idea of working with a text-to-image art generator, even if that art generator was trained on ethically sourced data. They feel as if their fun has been taken away.
- justinclift 3y ago
  Hmmm, that's not really what seems to be the case, as widely reported about a month ago. eg: https://petapixel.com/2023/06/05/japan-declares-ai-training-data-fair-game-and-will-not-enforce-copyright/ https://petapixel.com/2023/06/05/japan-declares-ai-training-...
- dontlaugh 3y ago
  If you’re in the games industry, you’ve been told by your workplace (or heard from someone who has been told) to not use AI generation for anything that may ship because of the risk of complicated copyright infringement.
rootw0rm 3y ago
Honestly, I'm pretty sure that some good shows are already around LLM levels of focus/creativity. I love Bleach, but there are several plot lines where there's a great story that ends abruptly, never to be revived again. The story just happily meanders along like an LLM trying it's best to give you exactly what you want =)
ronsor 3y ago
I give it 12-24 months before AI can generate entire anime episodes.
stuckinhell 3y ago
AI is already being heavily adopted in Japan for animation and anime. For now, it's used as part of workflows that can get cleaned up. However you can start seeing 3d generated models with AI filters and AI animations increasing in the background of many new Anime.

kmeisthax 3y ago

The only thing Japan has done is adopt the TDM exceptions that the EU has. In the US the only certainty we have is that text-to-image AI art generation is not a creative process and thus does not accrue copyright on its own. That being said - and, again, sticking with US law - if your AI generated an anime character that looks like an existing character, and that character was either in the training set or described in your prompt, then you'd have an open and shut case. Otherwise it'd be considered a happy accident. That's also the standard for non-AI art as well. It's called "access and substantial similarity." I fully expect Nintendo to privately tell all their licensed developers not to use AI art generators. Actually, boycotting is probably going to be the most effective solution from the perspective of human artists who don't want their job being turned into SEO keyword stuffing[0]. While AI art proponents think that progress is inevitable, the reality of it is that in order for the AI generators to "get better", we need bigger models and more research, both of which are resting on exponential price curves. So if human artists as a class decide they aren't going to use AI, then AI will always be relegated to "second best", even if we can always finetune on those human artists' work. [0] No seriously I think this is what human artists actually fear. It's one thing to point out that they're being put on a treadmill to train the bot that will replace them. But a lot of artists seem to hate the idea of working with a text-to-image art generator, even if that art generator was trained on ethically sourced data. They feel as if their fun has been taken away.

justinclift 3y ago
Hmmm, that's not really what seems to be the case, as widely reported about a month ago. eg: https://petapixel.com/2023/06/05/japan-declares-ai-training-data-fair-game-and-will-not-enforce-copyright/ https://petapixel.com/2023/06/05/japan-declares-ai-training-...
dontlaugh 3y ago
If you’re in the games industry, you’ve been told by your workplace (or heard from someone who has been told) to not use AI generation for anything that may ship because of the risk of complicated copyright infringement.

rootw0rm 3y ago

Honestly, I'm pretty sure that some good shows are already around LLM levels of focus/creativity. I love Bleach, but there are several plot lines where there's a great story that ends abruptly, never to be revived again. The story just happily meanders along like an LLM trying it's best to give you exactly what you want =)

ronsor 3y ago

I give it 12-24 months before AI can generate entire anime episodes.

stuckinhell 3y ago

AI is already being heavily adopted in Japan for animation and anime. For now, it's used as part of workflows that can get cleaned up. However you can start seeing 3d generated models with AI filters and AI animations increasing in the background of many new Anime.