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Kind of strange they're going after these literally who sites instead of you know where. I guess because these are commercial? Or has the most popular public

Kind of strange they're going after these literally who sites instead of you know where. I guess because these are commercial? Or has the most popular public tracker for anime somehow escaped their notice?

jchw 3y ago
Nyaa has been targeted, though. It's jumped several domains in the past, and in one of the most insane measures I've ever seen, I recall a time where linking it on Twitter was full-on banned. Maybe it's less targeted now because it's simply proven to be too evasive to find any good pressure points, or perhaps it's just in the back burner after previous failed attempts. (I don't see a point in not mentioning it by name, but maybe I'm missing something.)
- serf 3y ago
  >(I don't see a point in not mentioning it by name, but maybe I'm missing something.) you're missing how even more attention towards something that has had legal troubles in the past might add fuel to the fire? or, from the opposite side of the aisle : you're missing how rebroadcasting piracy sources might hinder the anime industry? feels obvious to me, from either angle.
  - jchw 3y ago
    I doubt Nyaa is flying under anyone's radar that would have impact here, but even if they were, why would they be any more likely to discover it here on HN versus anywhere else on the internet? Very strange logic in my opinion.
- mcpackieh 3y ago
  I know at least a few people on HN are copyright maximalists, so I hesitate to mention things like this by name in mixed company.
  - sh34r 3y ago
    There's at least a few people on HN who hold every possible belief you can enumerate. There's Kopimists and patent trolls. There's people who believe microdosing LSD makes them more productive, that we live in a simulation, that LLMs are sentient, that UAPs are interdimensional entities that live under the ocean, that Nickelback makes good music, that bananas belong on pizza. I do not understand why you'd self-censor on this basis alone.
    - mcpackieh 3y ago
      It just seemed a little imprudent to tempt fate I guess.
  - kmeisthax 3y ago
    The fact that there are even copyright maximalists on HN boggles the mind. Go back two decades and the prevailing opinion in every tech space was that we should declare open season on any creative who makes money from copyright licensing. I get that HN is run by VC people and their business model specifically relies on monopolization, but... I mean, come on. They can't actually believe that their actions are prosocial or even beneficial to the consumer, can they? I don't mean the basic idea of there being a copyright system, but the specific situation that we have where everything owned by someone else and customers have to permanently rent out their own culture. You've either deluded yourself into thinking that the international copyright bargain set up in the 1970s is still somehow the best possible option in 2023, or you're a cartoon supervillain called "Fuck You, Pay Me" Man.
- teddyh 3y ago
  According to <https://old.reddit.com/r/Piracy/wiki/megathread/anime https://old.reddit.com/r/Piracy/wiki/megathread/anime>, I assume that the site in question is <https://nyaa.si/ https://nyaa.si/>.
- Nyan 3y ago
  > It's jumped several domains in the past One thing to note is that there's actually two Nyaa sites, so it's important to not confuse the two. The original jumped several domains, and closed down in May 2017 (last domain was nyaa.se). The "current Nyaa", nyaa.si, is a clone site that launched shortly after, and hasn't changed any domains. With the original, I recall the domains jumped were linked to various legislative changes in Europe, with the shutdown in 2017 likely due to similar reasons.
  - Lammy 3y ago
    Which one is nyaa-dot-eu?
    - Nyan 3y ago
      From memory, the original Nyaa was nyaatorrents.org -> nyaa.eu -> nyaa.se
Nyan 3y ago
A possibility might be that the bigger sites have paid more attention to opsec, and are harder to take down, whilst smaller players may be easier to intimidate. Current Nyaa (nyaa.si) has been targeted [https://torrentfreak.com/mpa-lawyers-are-trying-to-shut-down-pirate-anime-giant-nyaa-si-201104/ https://torrentfreak.com/mpa-lawyers-are-trying-to-shut-down...], but efforts haven't been successful so far. > I guess because these are commercial? Highly unlikely - it's not like rights holders get anything regardless of commercial status. Also, Nyaa runs ads on their NSFW site, so it's commercial in that respect.

jchw 3y ago

Nyaa has been targeted, though. It's jumped several domains in the past, and in one of the most insane measures I've ever seen, I recall a time where linking it on Twitter was full-on banned. Maybe it's less targeted now because it's simply proven to be too evasive to find any good pressure points, or perhaps it's just in the back burner after previous failed attempts. (I don't see a point in not mentioning it by name, but maybe I'm missing something.)

serf 3y ago
>(I don't see a point in not mentioning it by name, but maybe I'm missing something.) you're missing how even more attention towards something that has had legal troubles in the past might add fuel to the fire? or, from the opposite side of the aisle : you're missing how rebroadcasting piracy sources might hinder the anime industry? feels obvious to me, from either angle.
- jchw 3y ago
  I doubt Nyaa is flying under anyone's radar that would have impact here, but even if they were, why would they be any more likely to discover it here on HN versus anywhere else on the internet? Very strange logic in my opinion.
mcpackieh 3y ago
I know at least a few people on HN are copyright maximalists, so I hesitate to mention things like this by name in mixed company.
- sh34r 3y ago
  There's at least a few people on HN who hold every possible belief you can enumerate. There's Kopimists and patent trolls. There's people who believe microdosing LSD makes them more productive, that we live in a simulation, that LLMs are sentient, that UAPs are interdimensional entities that live under the ocean, that Nickelback makes good music, that bananas belong on pizza. I do not understand why you'd self-censor on this basis alone.
  - mcpackieh 3y ago
    It just seemed a little imprudent to tempt fate I guess.
- kmeisthax 3y ago
  The fact that there are even copyright maximalists on HN boggles the mind. Go back two decades and the prevailing opinion in every tech space was that we should declare open season on any creative who makes money from copyright licensing. I get that HN is run by VC people and their business model specifically relies on monopolization, but... I mean, come on. They can't actually believe that their actions are prosocial or even beneficial to the consumer, can they? I don't mean the basic idea of there being a copyright system, but the specific situation that we have where everything owned by someone else and customers have to permanently rent out their own culture. You've either deluded yourself into thinking that the international copyright bargain set up in the 1970s is still somehow the best possible option in 2023, or you're a cartoon supervillain called "Fuck You, Pay Me" Man.
teddyh 3y ago
According to <https://old.reddit.com/r/Piracy/wiki/megathread/anime https://old.reddit.com/r/Piracy/wiki/megathread/anime>, I assume that the site in question is <https://nyaa.si/ https://nyaa.si/>.
Nyan 3y ago
> It's jumped several domains in the past One thing to note is that there's actually two Nyaa sites, so it's important to not confuse the two. The original jumped several domains, and closed down in May 2017 (last domain was nyaa.se). The "current Nyaa", nyaa.si, is a clone site that launched shortly after, and hasn't changed any domains. With the original, I recall the domains jumped were linked to various legislative changes in Europe, with the shutdown in 2017 likely due to similar reasons.
- Lammy 3y ago
  Which one is nyaa-dot-eu?
  - Nyan 3y ago
    From memory, the original Nyaa was nyaatorrents.org -> nyaa.eu -> nyaa.se

Nyan 3y ago

A possibility might be that the bigger sites have paid more attention to opsec, and are harder to take down, whilst smaller players may be easier to intimidate. Current Nyaa (nyaa.si) has been targeted [https://torrentfreak.com/mpa-lawyers-are-trying-to-shut-down-pirate-anime-giant-nyaa-si-201104/ https://torrentfreak.com/mpa-lawyers-are-trying-to-shut-down...], but efforts haven't been successful so far. > I guess because these are commercial? Highly unlikely - it's not like rights holders get anything regardless of commercial status. Also, Nyaa runs ads on their NSFW site, so it's commercial in that respect.