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Quality comments like this are what keep me coming back to HN. I certainly agree. I’m not sure exactly how, but it’s clear there needs to be some sort of incen

Quality comments like this are what keep me coming back to HN. I certainly agree. I’m not sure exactly how, but it’s clear there needs to be some sort of incentive for institutions to actually achieve their purpose, but as soon as a metric is measured, it gets exploited and over optimized.

c_crank 3y ago
The only incentive that works is letting such institutions crash and burn and be replaced. Even giant monopolies can end up losing money and going under.
- s1artibartfast 3y ago
  In the context of Education or you have an entranched monopoly, this means voting for private school vouchers.
  - slt2021 3y ago
    private school vouchers seems like a great idea, but I am afraid it will mirror college situation. most state schools will have bare bones programs, except few select, while private schools will be many levels ahead and become "elite". do we want "ivy league" situation with K-12 education system?
    - c_crank 3y ago
      The bare bones the market would create would depend on if people really want K-12 to be a glorified daycare or a useful tool for imparting knowledge. But having a financial incentive to function or go bust would mean you'd at least get better daycare services.
    - rayiner 3y ago
      The solution is to do what Sweden does, which is to require all schools to accept the vouchers and charge no further tuition.
    - s1artibartfast 3y ago
      I would say yes. Most states schools provide excellent value, and I would even extend that to community colleges which provides even better value for their students.
  - lern_too_spel 3y ago
    No, private schools can reject students. This means voting for charter schools.
    - rayiner 3y ago
      That’s a good thing for all the other students.
    - s1artibartfast 3y ago
      Rejecting students is a feature not a bug. If you have a student that attacks other students or teachers institutions should be able to expel them.
      - lern_too_spel 3y ago
        Then where does the rejected student go with their voucher? Segregating misbehaving students is a feature. Rejecting them is a bug.
        deleted 3y ago
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        s1artibartfast 3y ago
        to some sort of educator of last resort. This might be a private school that specialized in this, or a public school that can not refuse them and is therefore full of bad students.
        lern_too_spel 3y ago
        And how will they get to this educator of last resort? The per child transportation and tuition costs for this educator of last resort will far exceed the amount of the voucher.
        s1artibartfast 3y ago

c_crank 3y ago

The only incentive that works is letting such institutions crash and burn and be replaced. Even giant monopolies can end up losing money and going under.

s1artibartfast 3y ago
In the context of Education or you have an entranched monopoly, this means voting for private school vouchers.
- slt2021 3y ago
  private school vouchers seems like a great idea, but I am afraid it will mirror college situation. most state schools will have bare bones programs, except few select, while private schools will be many levels ahead and become "elite". do we want "ivy league" situation with K-12 education system?
  - c_crank 3y ago
    The bare bones the market would create would depend on if people really want K-12 to be a glorified daycare or a useful tool for imparting knowledge. But having a financial incentive to function or go bust would mean you'd at least get better daycare services.
  - rayiner 3y ago
    The solution is to do what Sweden does, which is to require all schools to accept the vouchers and charge no further tuition.
  - s1artibartfast 3y ago
    I would say yes. Most states schools provide excellent value, and I would even extend that to community colleges which provides even better value for their students.
- lern_too_spel 3y ago
  No, private schools can reject students. This means voting for charter schools.
  - rayiner 3y ago
    That’s a good thing for all the other students.
  - s1artibartfast 3y ago
    Rejecting students is a feature not a bug. If you have a student that attacks other students or teachers institutions should be able to expel them.
    - lern_too_spel 3y ago
      Then where does the rejected student go with their voucher? Segregating misbehaving students is a feature. Rejecting them is a bug.
      - deleted 3y ago
        [deleted]
      - s1artibartfast 3y ago
        to some sort of educator of last resort. This might be a private school that specialized in this, or a public school that can not refuse them and is therefore full of bad students.
        lern_too_spel 3y ago
        And how will they get to this educator of last resort? The per child transportation and tuition costs for this educator of last resort will far exceed the amount of the voucher.
        s1artibartfast 3y ago