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After talking about it for thirty, forty years and not doing much more than feeling good about sorting our recycling, we're here at the tipping point. We need

After talking about it for thirty, forty years and not doing much more than feeling good about sorting our recycling, we're here at the tipping point. We need to not be talking about "climate change" anymore. We are here at "climate collapse".

thatfrenchguy 3y ago
We’re more at « global warming » than « climate collapse » right now for most ecosystems.
- ygjb 3y ago
  Right - global warming as a function of climate change, it's not the climate that is collapsing, it's the ecology that ~8 billion people depend on to survive that is collapsing :) fiddles pedantically while the world burns
  - ChatGTP 3y ago
    Fires up thousands of GPUs to train more models to solve climate change
  - revelio 3y ago
    The ecology isn't collapsing either.
    - ygjb 3y ago
      https://www.reuters.com/graphics/GLOBAL-ENVIRONMENT/INSECT-APOCALYPSE/egpbykdxjvq/ https://www.reuters.com/graphics/GLOBAL-ENVIRONMENT/INSECT-A... https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/scientists-warn-of-looming-mass-ocean-extinction/ https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/scientists-warn-o... Just two quick examples, but go ahead and keep your head in the sand.
      - revelio 3y ago
        The first is the insectopocalypse, which has been debunked: https://theconversation.com/insect-apocalypse-not-so-fast-at-least-in-north-america-141107 https://theconversation.com/insect-apocalypse-not-so-fast-at... The second is a prediction for 300 years in the future. But we're talking about the claim "the ecology is collapsing", present tense.
HydianSnake1 3y ago
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- kakapo88 3y ago
  Can you name some of those specific scientific doomsday predictions, that didn't come to pass? Not a prediction from some random internet dude, but an actual scientific IPCC prediction? The climate models have, in fact, been accurate. Temperatures, sea ice, and so on, and marched up over the decades, as predicted. Buy worryingly, it appears those models were too conservative. Heat is now increasing faster than predicted. That's why this is news.
  - blownpipeline 3y ago
    It’s not necessarily the reports themselves. It’s cnn and the media at large that take these reports, twist them and turn them into fear porn to fit the necessary mind control narrative. The reports are fine for the most part.
- MrVandemar 3y ago
  We are currently in a slow-motion traffic accident of our own making that we are only just starting to notice the effects of. But the "accident" has already happened, the rest is now just the physics playing out. Some people have been saying as loudly as they can "watch out". They haven't been crying wolf, it's just a very slow wolf, but it's teeth are sharp. > The ice caps still exist, half the world's countries aren't underwater Is your understanding of climate collapse is limited to the one issue, the melting of the ice-caps, and concomitant sea-level rises? That's a narrow view that doesn't remotely cover the complexity and scale of the problem. However, addressing that one, single issue: > Arctic sea ice area (SIA) has been declining rapidly throughout the year during recent decades with a steeper decline since 2000 > Our observationally-constrained projections based on attribution results also suggest that we may experience an unprecedented ice-free Arctic climate in the next decade or two, irrespective of emission scenarios. This would affect human society and the ecosystem both within and outside the Arctic, through changing Arctic marine activities as well as further accelerating the Arctic warming and thereby altering Arctic carbon cycling.[1] (emphasis mine) [1] https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-023-38511-8 https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-023-38511-8 But as I said, it's a bigger problem than the polar ice melting. It's about the ocean absorbing CO2 and acidifying, inhibiting the growth of the shells of molluscs that live there; it's about over-fishing; it's about coral bleaching; it's about the ocean temperature spiking; the jet-stream; ecosystem encroachment; 200 species a day going extinct -- we're on day 189 of this year, so that's ... 37,800 since January 1st; it's about the increase rate of catastrophic fires. Even if it "feels" relatively normal today, it's just the water temperature rising so slowly the lobster doesn't realise it's being cooked ... And you seem to be worried about paying taxes...?

thatfrenchguy 3y ago

We’re more at « global warming » than « climate collapse » right now for most ecosystems.

ygjb 3y ago
Right - global warming as a function of climate change, it's not the climate that is collapsing, it's the ecology that ~8 billion people depend on to survive that is collapsing :) fiddles pedantically while the world burns
- ChatGTP 3y ago
  Fires up thousands of GPUs to train more models to solve climate change
- revelio 3y ago
  The ecology isn't collapsing either.
  - ygjb 3y ago
    https://www.reuters.com/graphics/GLOBAL-ENVIRONMENT/INSECT-APOCALYPSE/egpbykdxjvq/ https://www.reuters.com/graphics/GLOBAL-ENVIRONMENT/INSECT-A... https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/scientists-warn-of-looming-mass-ocean-extinction/ https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/scientists-warn-o... Just two quick examples, but go ahead and keep your head in the sand.
    - revelio 3y ago
      The first is the insectopocalypse, which has been debunked: https://theconversation.com/insect-apocalypse-not-so-fast-at-least-in-north-america-141107 https://theconversation.com/insect-apocalypse-not-so-fast-at... The second is a prediction for 300 years in the future. But we're talking about the claim "the ecology is collapsing", present tense.

HydianSnake1 3y ago

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kakapo88 3y ago
Can you name some of those specific scientific doomsday predictions, that didn't come to pass? Not a prediction from some random internet dude, but an actual scientific IPCC prediction? The climate models have, in fact, been accurate. Temperatures, sea ice, and so on, and marched up over the decades, as predicted. Buy worryingly, it appears those models were too conservative. Heat is now increasing faster than predicted. That's why this is news.
- blownpipeline 3y ago
  It’s not necessarily the reports themselves. It’s cnn and the media at large that take these reports, twist them and turn them into fear porn to fit the necessary mind control narrative. The reports are fine for the most part.
MrVandemar 3y ago
We are currently in a slow-motion traffic accident of our own making that we are only just starting to notice the effects of. But the "accident" has already happened, the rest is now just the physics playing out. Some people have been saying as loudly as they can "watch out". They haven't been crying wolf, it's just a very slow wolf, but it's teeth are sharp. > The ice caps still exist, half the world's countries aren't underwater Is your understanding of climate collapse is limited to the one issue, the melting of the ice-caps, and concomitant sea-level rises? That's a narrow view that doesn't remotely cover the complexity and scale of the problem. However, addressing that one, single issue: > Arctic sea ice area (SIA) has been declining rapidly throughout the year during recent decades with a steeper decline since 2000 > Our observationally-constrained projections based on attribution results also suggest that we may experience an unprecedented ice-free Arctic climate in the next decade or two, irrespective of emission scenarios. This would affect human society and the ecosystem both within and outside the Arctic, through changing Arctic marine activities as well as further accelerating the Arctic warming and thereby altering Arctic carbon cycling.[1] (emphasis mine) [1] https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-023-38511-8 https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-023-38511-8 But as I said, it's a bigger problem than the polar ice melting. It's about the ocean absorbing CO2 and acidifying, inhibiting the growth of the shells of molluscs that live there; it's about over-fishing; it's about coral bleaching; it's about the ocean temperature spiking; the jet-stream; ecosystem encroachment; 200 species a day going extinct -- we're on day 189 of this year, so that's ... 37,800 since January 1st; it's about the increase rate of catastrophic fires. Even if it "feels" relatively normal today, it's just the water temperature rising so slowly the lobster doesn't realise it's being cooked ... And you seem to be worried about paying taxes...?