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Context for people who weren’t there: Perl was created by Larry Wall, who became an O’Reilly employee. The camel was the unofficial logo because it was the pic

Context for people who weren’t there: Perl was created by Larry Wall, who became an O’Reilly employee. The camel was the unofficial logo because it was the picture (presumably from the Dover pictorial gallery) used for the book Programming Perl co-authored by Wall and published by O’Reilly.

hammock 3y ago
Where can I learn about the Diver pictorial library? Is it a particular illustrator that is on all the O’Reilly books?
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- splatzone 3y ago
  This seems to be it - https://www.doverbooks.co.uk/animals-creatures https://www.doverbooks.co.uk/animals-creatures I'm not sure I understand the licensing issue - if the camel graphic came from one of these books, would it not be possible to license it direct from the pictorial library (possibly no licensing required, just a royalty free deal from buying the book)?
  - zokier 3y ago
    It seems O'reilly has registered the camel as trademark so you can't sidestep it from sourcing the image somewhere else
  - mkl 3y ago
    The problem is trademark, not copyright. O'Reilly owns the trademark on it in the context of Perl: "The camel with the topic of Perl is a trademark of O’Reilly Media, Inc." -- https://www.perl.org/camel.html https://www.perl.org/camel.html The camel picture used on the original book cover is in Animals 1,419 Copyright Free Illustrations of Mammals, Birds, Fish, Insects, etc. by Jim Harter: https://www.doverbooks.co.uk/animals-1419-copyright-free-illustrations-of-mammals-birds-fish-insects-etc https://www.doverbooks.co.uk/animals-1419-copyright-free-ill... (image 241).
    - splatzone 3y ago
      I learned something today. Cheers!
LukeShu 3y ago
A little more context: In the Perl 4 days, the book Programming Perl was the official Perl manual; it wasn't until Perl 5 that there was a complete freely distributable digital manual that came with Perl. (This situation was the impetus for Stallman's "Why Free Software Needs Free Documentation" essay)

hammock 3y ago

Where can I learn about the Diver pictorial library? Is it a particular illustrator that is on all the O’Reilly books?

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splatzone 3y ago
This seems to be it - https://www.doverbooks.co.uk/animals-creatures https://www.doverbooks.co.uk/animals-creatures I'm not sure I understand the licensing issue - if the camel graphic came from one of these books, would it not be possible to license it direct from the pictorial library (possibly no licensing required, just a royalty free deal from buying the book)?
- zokier 3y ago
  It seems O'reilly has registered the camel as trademark so you can't sidestep it from sourcing the image somewhere else
- mkl 3y ago
  The problem is trademark, not copyright. O'Reilly owns the trademark on it in the context of Perl: "The camel with the topic of Perl is a trademark of O’Reilly Media, Inc." -- https://www.perl.org/camel.html https://www.perl.org/camel.html The camel picture used on the original book cover is in Animals 1,419 Copyright Free Illustrations of Mammals, Birds, Fish, Insects, etc. by Jim Harter: https://www.doverbooks.co.uk/animals-1419-copyright-free-illustrations-of-mammals-birds-fish-insects-etc https://www.doverbooks.co.uk/animals-1419-copyright-free-ill... (image 241).
  - splatzone 3y ago
    I learned something today. Cheers!

LukeShu 3y ago

A little more context: In the Perl 4 days, the book Programming Perl was the official Perl manual; it wasn't until Perl 5 that there was a complete freely distributable digital manual that came with Perl. (This situation was the impetus for Stallman's "Why Free Software Needs Free Documentation" essay)