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> An example of the cliché in use provided by Chaz Bufe is "the admonition given to Catholic schoolchildren to recite the Hail Mary or rosary to ward off 'impur
by jawns 3y ago
> An example of the cliché in use provided by Chaz Bufe is "the admonition given to Catholic schoolchildren to recite the Hail Mary or rosary to ward off 'impure thoughts'. The use of repetitive chanting by the Hare Krishnas serves the same thought-stopping purpose."
Neither of these examples have much relevance to thought-terminating cliches, whose purpose is to "stop an argument from proceeding further," because neither of these examples involves an argument.
Rather, they both have a meditative purpose, intended not to end thought but to focus it on something. In the case of Catholics reciting the rosary, the intention is to focus their thoughts on the mysteries of their faith. In the case of Hare Krishnas chanting the maha-mantra, it is intended to achieve self-realization by connecting with Krishna.
But whatever. I'm entitled to my opinion, so let's just agree to disagree.
- _Microft 3y ago> let's just agree to disagree That‘s one, I‘d say.
- AnimalMuppet 3y agoThat's interesting. "Agree to disagree" means "you aren't going to persuade me, I'm not going to persuade you, conversation over." That's one kind of debate-ending cliche. There are others that are "you're wrong, conversation over". Calling someone or something "X-ist" is often that. I guess both of those can serve as thought-ending cliches, because now I don't have to think any further about what you say. But in terms of what they do to the conversation, they are not equivalent.
- vacuity 3y agoIn this case, parent laid out their thoughts already and didn't make it a "I'm going to pit my value/belief against yours and not bother to elaborate because I'm right" situation, which is where I find something like "let's agree to disagree" banal. I think it can make sense if one expounds on one's value and leaves off with that phrase because there's a legitimate impasse (which may entail more discussion to discover). Parent was more making an observation of the examples not fitting the definition, so there's not really a value judgement.
- jawns 3y agoYes, I was being cheeky with my last line.
- zzo38computer 3y agoReading the article, and your comment, I think that you are right that those prayers aren't thought-terminating cliches. They do have a meditative purpose like you describe. However, Wikipedia says "the admonition given to Catholic schoolchildren to recite the Hail Mary or rosary to ward off 'impure thoughts'"; if such an admonition is made in response to when the schoolchildren will say something that the teacher didn't want, then this will be a thought-terminating cliche, although the prayer itself isn't. Wikipedia also mentions 'when certain members of Islam label something haram ... that employs the use of the tactic since it states that something is forbidden and "There is no need for any more consideration of whether it is bad."'; in such a case, I think that this use of "haram" is also a thought-terminating cliche, if you cannot explain why it is bad. > I'm entitled to my opinion, so let's just agree to disagree. I agree that you are entitled to your opinion, although, like other comments mention, I think that "let's just agree to disagree" is also a thought-terminating cliche. However, of course even despite such a saying, responses can still be made anyways; so, if they are discussed/argued despite that, then it can be less of a problem. And, rather than merely saying "agree to disagree", you had presented your arguments for why you disagreed with it, so that is better than merely saying that you will disagree, or will agree to disagree; so, more discussion, argument for/against it can be possible, rather than shutting it out. (Of course, you can agree or disagree with me, too. However, it is good to make the argument of why you will agree or disagree, if you can.)