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"stopping to help an injured person," can you be more specific please? where and in which case?

by throwawayadvsec 3y ago

jagged-chisel 3y ago
Being held liable for attempting to help but making things worse.
whynotmaybe 3y ago
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_Samaritan_law https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_Samaritan_law
- NoZebra120vClip 3y ago
  You know, one aspect that doesn't appear to be covered in that article is scams. There are often scams perpetrated where someone fakes injury or accident, either to create a diversion, or to attract wannabe "Good Samaritans" who come to render assistance and then find themselves pickpocketed or in worse trouble than they started out. There are also people who pretend to be out of gas and just need a can filled at the local service station. A guy came up to me at a train station and showed me all his sores, and I offered to take him to the drugstore and purchase some bandages, but the only reason he was showing me sores was because he was a panhandler and he wanted cash. I stay away from anyone who looks like they require assistance. Life is too short. I am not a professional first responder and it's not my job to diagnose or treat any illness or injury. I may call 911 if I see something unambiguously egregious, but nowadays, there are usually so many witnesses carrying mobile phones that I don't need to bother.
  - throwaway92700 3y ago
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bystander_effect https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bystander_effect
    - NoZebra120vClip 3y ago
      Thanks for the commentary-free Wikipedia article link, but in skimming across it, I don't see any significant mention of the cases I discussed which are scammers who are faking it. The article chiefly seems to be concerned with real, or perceived real, emergencies, and how they relate to large crowds of witnesses. If is often the case that scammers who are faking distress will isolate and approach potential victims rather than attract a crowd. Especially with people who lurk outside of grocery stores or some other venue. Once I was approached by an "out of gas" individual at a rather lonely intersection of downtown. There were no other witnesses around, until an official in a uniform vest came to intervene.
  - tudorw 3y ago
    I don't stay away. I frequently get stuck in, calling the police, ambulance and fire services for people, assisting epileptics in shops and planes, helping lost children, picking up random dogs and returning them to their owners... Why do you think life is too short, I've always thought it the perfect length, do divulge what it is that takes the time for you?
    - NoZebra120vClip 3y ago
      I suppose you're just the epitome of a good samaritan in the right place at the right time. None of that stuff happens to me. How would I assist an epileptic, or a lost child, in a way that could not be better done by a professional who is trained and commissioned to do such things? I would do more harm than good, me, a stranger in a big city, putting my nose in where it doesn't belong. Especially with minor children. That's unthinkable--where are their parents? If I found a minor without her parents then I would contact authorities, not try to place myself at risk, because whatever separated her from her parents, must be bad news. I do charitable works through the organizations where I am a member. I assist in humanitarian missions in an organized way, not as a stranger on the street with a mobile phone. My life is too short to get caught up in strangers' drama, because that will definitely shorten my life, and possibly also drain my pocketbook, place marks on my criminal record, or indeed put my own self at risk of injury. The cost is too great and there is no reward for random involvement like that. As I said, it usually turns out to be a scam anyway.
      - tudorw 3y ago
        "I suppose you're just the epitome of a good Samaritan in the right place at the right time." And you will be in the right place, at the right time, at some time, then you can choose to act or ignore, I hope you can find it in you to act. I think I am just normal, and you are avoiding getting involved because of fear, but I guess as none of that stuff happens to you then really you have no idea of what you would do? The epileptic had an episode mid flight, after the request for a doctor or medical personnel raised no assistance I stepped into to assist a 20'ish flight attendant with no idea what to do, in case you are wondering, here's what you do. " It might be scary to witness, but do not panic. If you're with someone having a seizure: only move them if they're in danger, such as near a busy road or hot cooker cushion their head if they're on the ground loosen any tight clothing around their neck, such as a collar or tie, to aid breathing turn them on to their side after their convulsions stop stay with them and talk to them calmly until they recover note the time the seizure starts and finishes " "If I found a minor without her parents then I would contact authorities" Ok, so let's play a scenario, you are walking along the street alone, and you see a small child, of the age you'd normally expect to be accompanied. In your world you what? Phone the authorities, right, so in the 10 to 30 minutes that it might take to raise that help, what are you going to do, just walk off and think, well, I called the authorities and now it's not my problem, you just walk away leaving a child on their own? The minor's I assisted were walking through a park late at night in their bedclothes, me and a partner contacted the authorities then hung around as it seemed odd, not long after some very grateful parents turned up, the children had simply decided to take a walk. "I would do more harm than good, me, a stranger in a big city, putting my nose in where it doesn't belong" Everyone is a stranger in a big city. That's the thing isn't it, now imagine if everyone felt like you, no one would get involved in anything that didn't directly benefit them and carried no risk. You are content to let the police, fire and ambulance services get involved, they are people too, do you think they don't fear injury or perhaps because you feel you pay them to do it, that makes it okay for them to take on risk and you to avoid it? That is a sad state of affairs. Evil thrives when average people do nothing... "My life is too short to get caught up in strangers' drama, because that will definitely shorten my life, and possibly also drain my pocketbook, place marks on my criminal record, or indeed put my own self at risk of injury" You have no idea what tomorrow brings, how long or short your life will be, or if your actions today will set into motion an event that is bad, or good. You are worried about your pocket book, having a criminal record, injury, I understand that, now, can you tell me what you do with this life that is so worth distancing yourself from any risk? Would you make exceptions if you had family or friends who need help, or would that too be based on an initial risk assessment? What if you helped a stranger who spotted a mole on the back of your head that looked odd, then you got it checked out and removed and that saved your life... I'm not saying that's likely, but your spin, that any involvement in society carries too much risk is perhaps forgetting how little of life we have control over...
- kneebonian 3y ago
  This law specifically states that you cannot be held legally liable for rendering aid. Not that it is against the law to help people.
  - Moomoomoo309 3y ago
    It covers it in specific cases for specific people. If you help someone not in those specific cases and/or are not that specific kind of person, you can be punished for it.

"stopping to help an injured person," can you be more specific please? where and in which case?

jagged-chisel 3y ago

Being held liable for attempting to help but making things worse.

whynotmaybe 3y ago

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_Samaritan_law https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_Samaritan_law

NoZebra120vClip 3y ago
You know, one aspect that doesn't appear to be covered in that article is scams. There are often scams perpetrated where someone fakes injury or accident, either to create a diversion, or to attract wannabe "Good Samaritans" who come to render assistance and then find themselves pickpocketed or in worse trouble than they started out. There are also people who pretend to be out of gas and just need a can filled at the local service station. A guy came up to me at a train station and showed me all his sores, and I offered to take him to the drugstore and purchase some bandages, but the only reason he was showing me sores was because he was a panhandler and he wanted cash. I stay away from anyone who looks like they require assistance. Life is too short. I am not a professional first responder and it's not my job to diagnose or treat any illness or injury. I may call 911 if I see something unambiguously egregious, but nowadays, there are usually so many witnesses carrying mobile phones that I don't need to bother.
- throwaway92700 3y ago
  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bystander_effect https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bystander_effect
  - NoZebra120vClip 3y ago
    Thanks for the commentary-free Wikipedia article link, but in skimming across it, I don't see any significant mention of the cases I discussed which are scammers who are faking it. The article chiefly seems to be concerned with real, or perceived real, emergencies, and how they relate to large crowds of witnesses. If is often the case that scammers who are faking distress will isolate and approach potential victims rather than attract a crowd. Especially with people who lurk outside of grocery stores or some other venue. Once I was approached by an "out of gas" individual at a rather lonely intersection of downtown. There were no other witnesses around, until an official in a uniform vest came to intervene.
- tudorw 3y ago
  I don't stay away. I frequently get stuck in, calling the police, ambulance and fire services for people, assisting epileptics in shops and planes, helping lost children, picking up random dogs and returning them to their owners... Why do you think life is too short, I've always thought it the perfect length, do divulge what it is that takes the time for you?
  - NoZebra120vClip 3y ago
    I suppose you're just the epitome of a good samaritan in the right place at the right time. None of that stuff happens to me. How would I assist an epileptic, or a lost child, in a way that could not be better done by a professional who is trained and commissioned to do such things? I would do more harm than good, me, a stranger in a big city, putting my nose in where it doesn't belong. Especially with minor children. That's unthinkable--where are their parents? If I found a minor without her parents then I would contact authorities, not try to place myself at risk, because whatever separated her from her parents, must be bad news. I do charitable works through the organizations where I am a member. I assist in humanitarian missions in an organized way, not as a stranger on the street with a mobile phone. My life is too short to get caught up in strangers' drama, because that will definitely shorten my life, and possibly also drain my pocketbook, place marks on my criminal record, or indeed put my own self at risk of injury. The cost is too great and there is no reward for random involvement like that. As I said, it usually turns out to be a scam anyway.
    - tudorw 3y ago
      "I suppose you're just the epitome of a good Samaritan in the right place at the right time." And you will be in the right place, at the right time, at some time, then you can choose to act or ignore, I hope you can find it in you to act. I think I am just normal, and you are avoiding getting involved because of fear, but I guess as none of that stuff happens to you then really you have no idea of what you would do? The epileptic had an episode mid flight, after the request for a doctor or medical personnel raised no assistance I stepped into to assist a 20'ish flight attendant with no idea what to do, in case you are wondering, here's what you do. " It might be scary to witness, but do not panic. If you're with someone having a seizure: only move them if they're in danger, such as near a busy road or hot cooker cushion their head if they're on the ground loosen any tight clothing around their neck, such as a collar or tie, to aid breathing turn them on to their side after their convulsions stop stay with them and talk to them calmly until they recover note the time the seizure starts and finishes " "If I found a minor without her parents then I would contact authorities" Ok, so let's play a scenario, you are walking along the street alone, and you see a small child, of the age you'd normally expect to be accompanied. In your world you what? Phone the authorities, right, so in the 10 to 30 minutes that it might take to raise that help, what are you going to do, just walk off and think, well, I called the authorities and now it's not my problem, you just walk away leaving a child on their own? The minor's I assisted were walking through a park late at night in their bedclothes, me and a partner contacted the authorities then hung around as it seemed odd, not long after some very grateful parents turned up, the children had simply decided to take a walk. "I would do more harm than good, me, a stranger in a big city, putting my nose in where it doesn't belong" Everyone is a stranger in a big city. That's the thing isn't it, now imagine if everyone felt like you, no one would get involved in anything that didn't directly benefit them and carried no risk. You are content to let the police, fire and ambulance services get involved, they are people too, do you think they don't fear injury or perhaps because you feel you pay them to do it, that makes it okay for them to take on risk and you to avoid it? That is a sad state of affairs. Evil thrives when average people do nothing... "My life is too short to get caught up in strangers' drama, because that will definitely shorten my life, and possibly also drain my pocketbook, place marks on my criminal record, or indeed put my own self at risk of injury" You have no idea what tomorrow brings, how long or short your life will be, or if your actions today will set into motion an event that is bad, or good. You are worried about your pocket book, having a criminal record, injury, I understand that, now, can you tell me what you do with this life that is so worth distancing yourself from any risk? Would you make exceptions if you had family or friends who need help, or would that too be based on an initial risk assessment? What if you helped a stranger who spotted a mole on the back of your head that looked odd, then you got it checked out and removed and that saved your life... I'm not saying that's likely, but your spin, that any involvement in society carries too much risk is perhaps forgetting how little of life we have control over...
kneebonian 3y ago
This law specifically states that you cannot be held legally liable for rendering aid. Not that it is against the law to help people.
- Moomoomoo309 3y ago
  It covers it in specific cases for specific people. If you help someone not in those specific cases and/or are not that specific kind of person, you can be punished for it.