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Yeah, I think we'll migrate all our private stuff to http://gitlabhq.com/ http://gitlabhq.com/ The way GitHub reacted (blocking @homakov) is just wrong and des

Yeah, I think we'll migrate all our private stuff to http://gitlabhq.com/ http://gitlabhq.com/ The way GitHub reacted (blocking @homakov) is just wrong and destroyed all my confidence in them. Even more so when it was pointed out that @zedshaw crashed GitHub and didn't get blocked. http://sheddingbikes.com/posts/1306816425.html http://sheddingbikes.com/posts/1306816425.html Edit: Given that they have now stated that suspending @homakov was only temporary I no longer bear any ill will towards them. I'm still disturbed by their security practices though. I expected better by the github guys and I don't like what this implies about the rest of their App. (And yes I am using attr_accessible and not attr_protected since its inception) Edit 2: See here http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3664839 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3664839 My worst fear that GitHub is using unsafe mass assignment everywhere was NOT confirmed.

tylermenezes 15y ago
Coincidentally, the incident with Zed was also fueled by the ruby guys being dicks. He just happens to be a higher-profile personality.
- eugenejen 15y ago
  It is rails guys, not ruby guys. I am still wondering why people can't distinguish two different communities. You don't mistake python and django or php and kohana or java and strut, right?
  - kamaal 15y ago
    It doesn't work that way. Rails is a major reason for the kind of push Ruby got. There was a time when CGI and Perl were synonymous. You won't believe how many people have a similar opinion about JQuery and Javascript these days. A few days back I wanted to use a object oriented language for a big project. Generally I straight away go and use Perl for all my experiments. But since this time I wanted Java programmers to be working with my project later I thought let me use Python as its more syntactically closer to Java. When I started coding, my manager peeked over my shoulder and asked if it was Python in which I was coding I replied yes. He immediately asked me to stop writing in it, as he thinks writing in 2.x is waste of time as it is going to go away, 3.x is not yet having all the libraries. And writing 2.x will force a huge rewrite effort later. I tried and reasoned enough to convince other wise. But alas, it didn't fly. That is how it works with pointy haired managers. They read something some where and then hold strong opinions about a particular technology. As programmers we can try and educate people in forums like these. But managers don't read these forums. They are likely to read magazines from IBM and Oracle, where XML's are glorified and eclipse is presented as the biggest productivity booster ever. Unless we get a forum on such magazines, we won't be able to make much difference.
  - loopdoend 15y ago
    I code a lot in Ruby and have never touched Rails... Initially I got into Ruby because metasploit is written in it. Ruby might be popular because of Rails but it is not relevant to everyone who codes in Ruby.
  - tylermenezes 15y ago
    You're right of course. I've honestly been trying to avoid the Rails community for as long as possible (I'd like to avoid being associated with anyone who would call himself a "Rockstar Programmer"), and with Rails being as big as it is, I've pretty much avoided Ruby entirely.
    - eugenejen 15y ago
      Ruby community is quite reasonable. I usually avoid discussions in framework communities. At the other hand, programming language communities tend to be more reasonable and nerdy. I feel bad that you missed the chance to know ruby language due to anti rails.
    - negw 15y ago
      I've coded in Rails since forever (0.5) and I honestly don't see how that dongml thing is funny. I'm not even able to understand how it is supposed to be funny, is it the dicks? For sure I think that a language shouldn't be avoided for something different than technical reasons, and nothing else.
  - minikomi 15y ago
    I think this Depends on the country or language somewhat too - many ruby guys in Japan are another breed entirely (using it as a playground for esoteric languages, quines..)
zedshaw 15y ago
I actually wanted them to ban me for that, because then they'd have even more to explain about them allowing rape/abuse comics about me on their site: https://github.com/nickmartini/dongml https://github.com/nickmartini/dongml Which has: https://a248.e.akamai.net/assets.github.com/img/b0de87a4cf0c7b8c575a7d693218b0a2c60fe4ad/687474703a2f2f6d6f726f6e352e636f6d2f6974732d646f6e676d6c2d74696d652e706e67 https://a248.e.akamai.net/assets.github.com/img/b0de87a4cf0c... If I was a woman there'd be an international shit storm over that image, but I'm a dude, and one that TPW hates, so of course they won't do shit. Then again I can usually handle myself so that's what I did.
- ovi256 15y ago
  Oh wow, that nickmartini story is really something. Trolling through github ? Just sad. And github forgetting the block user functionality makes me think they don't want to listen to user needs. Sure, it may not be a very popular request, but I bet for a minority it's the most important.
- fagatini 15y ago
  Wow this again Zed? Just can't let it go can you?

tylermenezes 15y ago

Coincidentally, the incident with Zed was also fueled by the ruby guys being dicks. He just happens to be a higher-profile personality.

eugenejen 15y ago
It is rails guys, not ruby guys. I am still wondering why people can't distinguish two different communities. You don't mistake python and django or php and kohana or java and strut, right?
- kamaal 15y ago
  It doesn't work that way. Rails is a major reason for the kind of push Ruby got. There was a time when CGI and Perl were synonymous. You won't believe how many people have a similar opinion about JQuery and Javascript these days. A few days back I wanted to use a object oriented language for a big project. Generally I straight away go and use Perl for all my experiments. But since this time I wanted Java programmers to be working with my project later I thought let me use Python as its more syntactically closer to Java. When I started coding, my manager peeked over my shoulder and asked if it was Python in which I was coding I replied yes. He immediately asked me to stop writing in it, as he thinks writing in 2.x is waste of time as it is going to go away, 3.x is not yet having all the libraries. And writing 2.x will force a huge rewrite effort later. I tried and reasoned enough to convince other wise. But alas, it didn't fly. That is how it works with pointy haired managers. They read something some where and then hold strong opinions about a particular technology. As programmers we can try and educate people in forums like these. But managers don't read these forums. They are likely to read magazines from IBM and Oracle, where XML's are glorified and eclipse is presented as the biggest productivity booster ever. Unless we get a forum on such magazines, we won't be able to make much difference.
- loopdoend 15y ago
  I code a lot in Ruby and have never touched Rails... Initially I got into Ruby because metasploit is written in it. Ruby might be popular because of Rails but it is not relevant to everyone who codes in Ruby.
- tylermenezes 15y ago
  You're right of course. I've honestly been trying to avoid the Rails community for as long as possible (I'd like to avoid being associated with anyone who would call himself a "Rockstar Programmer"), and with Rails being as big as it is, I've pretty much avoided Ruby entirely.
  - eugenejen 15y ago
    Ruby community is quite reasonable. I usually avoid discussions in framework communities. At the other hand, programming language communities tend to be more reasonable and nerdy. I feel bad that you missed the chance to know ruby language due to anti rails.
  - negw 15y ago
    I've coded in Rails since forever (0.5) and I honestly don't see how that dongml thing is funny. I'm not even able to understand how it is supposed to be funny, is it the dicks? For sure I think that a language shouldn't be avoided for something different than technical reasons, and nothing else.
- minikomi 15y ago
  I think this Depends on the country or language somewhat too - many ruby guys in Japan are another breed entirely (using it as a playground for esoteric languages, quines..)

zedshaw 15y ago

I actually wanted them to ban me for that, because then they'd have even more to explain about them allowing rape/abuse comics about me on their site: https://github.com/nickmartini/dongml https://github.com/nickmartini/dongml Which has: https://a248.e.akamai.net/assets.github.com/img/b0de87a4cf0c7b8c575a7d693218b0a2c60fe4ad/687474703a2f2f6d6f726f6e352e636f6d2f6974732d646f6e676d6c2d74696d652e706e67 https://a248.e.akamai.net/assets.github.com/img/b0de87a4cf0c... If I was a woman there'd be an international shit storm over that image, but I'm a dude, and one that TPW hates, so of course they won't do shit. Then again I can usually handle myself so that's what I did.

ovi256 15y ago
Oh wow, that nickmartini story is really something. Trolling through github ? Just sad. And github forgetting the block user functionality makes me think they don't want to listen to user needs. Sure, it may not be a very popular request, but I bet for a minority it's the most important.
fagatini 15y ago
Wow this again Zed? Just can't let it go can you?