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Reading the cynical view that the real goal of x is military/harm/etc. is also pretty tiresome.

by mhb 3y ago

goodbyesf 3y ago
Not the cynical view, but realistic view. Reality isn't cynical even if it is tiresome. The impetus behind most major tech - satellites, planes, nuclear technology, etc was to provide the military a better way to kill people. Of course it was sold to the public in a more positive way.
- mhb 3y ago
  Reality? The funding, results and motivations of the parties involved are complicated enough that dismissing it with this cynical view is so overly simplistic that it's not worth mentioning. Even the notion that the military's aim is to "kill people" is ridiculous. It's aim is be able to kill people so that actually killing them isn't necessary in order to defend its own people.
  - goodbyesf 3y ago
    > The funding, results and motivations of the parties involved are complicated enough that dismissing it with this cynical view is so overly simplistic that it's not worth mentioning. People aren't that complicated. Especially at the top. > Even the notion that the military's aim is to "kill people" is ridiculous. Ridiculous? It's the basic core function of a military. Imagine a military that couldn't kill people. Now that would be ridiculous. > It's aim is be able to kill people so that actually killing them isn't necessary in order to defend its own people. By your logic, the russian military is defending russians by killing ukrainians in ukraine? The US military was defending americans by killing iraqis in iraq? How does that logic work? I thought the military exists to spread democracy [ in oil rich countries ]?
    - tough 3y ago
      They where/are defending the Economic interests of the ruling classes of those countries indeed
      - YeGoblynQueenne 3y ago
        https://youtu.be/fS5ht9ZhxtM?t=125 https://youtu.be/fS5ht9ZhxtM?t=125 (Friends: the one with GI Joe)
    - mhb 3y ago
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DropInIn 3y ago
Any development, no matter how mundane, will eventually be turned to use by a military or paramilitary group somewhere at some point. From this it can actually be argued anything developed is developed to eventually be used for warfare....
- eggy 3y ago
  Or the converse, that the military and porn industry R&D lead to civilian products and usage like ecommerce via online credit card processing from the porn industry and GPS and jet engines to name a few from the military sector.

Reading the cynical view that the real goal of x is military/harm/etc. is also pretty tiresome.

by mhb 3y ago

Reading the cynical view that the real goal of x is military/harm/etc. is also pretty tiresome.

Not the cynical view, but realistic view. Reality isn't cynical even if it is tiresome. The impetus behind most major tech - satellites, planes, nuclear technology, etc was to provide the military a better way to kill people. Of course it was sold to the public in a more positive way.

mhb 3y ago
Reality? The funding, results and motivations of the parties involved are complicated enough that dismissing it with this cynical view is so overly simplistic that it's not worth mentioning. Even the notion that the military's aim is to "kill people" is ridiculous. It's aim is be able to kill people so that actually killing them isn't necessary in order to defend its own people.
- goodbyesf 3y ago
  > The funding, results and motivations of the parties involved are complicated enough that dismissing it with this cynical view is so overly simplistic that it's not worth mentioning. People aren't that complicated. Especially at the top. > Even the notion that the military's aim is to "kill people" is ridiculous. Ridiculous? It's the basic core function of a military. Imagine a military that couldn't kill people. Now that would be ridiculous. > It's aim is be able to kill people so that actually killing them isn't necessary in order to defend its own people. By your logic, the russian military is defending russians by killing ukrainians in ukraine? The US military was defending americans by killing iraqis in iraq? How does that logic work? I thought the military exists to spread democracy [ in oil rich countries ]?
  - tough 3y ago
    They where/are defending the Economic interests of the ruling classes of those countries indeed
    - YeGoblynQueenne 3y ago
      https://youtu.be/fS5ht9ZhxtM?t=125 https://youtu.be/fS5ht9ZhxtM?t=125 (Friends: the one with GI Joe)
  - mhb 3y ago
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DropInIn 3y ago

Any development, no matter how mundane, will eventually be turned to use by a military or paramilitary group somewhere at some point. From this it can actually be argued anything developed is developed to eventually be used for warfare....

eggy 3y ago
Or the converse, that the military and porn industry R&D lead to civilian products and usage like ecommerce via online credit card processing from the porn industry and GPS and jet engines to name a few from the military sector.